2016 NFL Draft - The Quarterbacks

After SB50, I'm sold. Close the thread. We need our Von Miller at No. 2.

We need Myles Jack.

 

Agreed. Miller and Ware made the Donkey D what it is.

Still...

Before taking Jack at #2 I?d like to know that he?s passed every medical exam? twice?

 

First and foremost, why is this post in the QBs thread? Second, why do you say we need a Von Miller, then suggest Myles Jack? They couldn't be more different as players.

 

Just a joke, friend.

I don't disagree there, but I think they're extremely similar as prospects and isn't that why we draft players?

They both boast prototypical size and out-of-this-world athleticism. Jack is a much more instinctive player than Miller was coming out of school given the nature of the roles they filled.

I can look beyond the fact that at UCLA, Jack was asked to play WIL in a 4-3 system versus Miller who played the 'Joker' role at Texas A&M. Jack grades out very well as a pass rusher (although he was rarely used in this role) by PFF.com.

Jack may not become the pass rush specialist that Miller is (20 sacks per season), but his skill set should make him a much better all-around linebacker with the ability to rush the passer, which could wind up making him even more valuable.

And in a game feature two former No. 1 overall picks at QB, it was the No. 2 overall pick at OLB that determined the fate of that game.

 

Agreed 100%. I wouldn't think about it if he had red medical flags.

 

I agree 100% there! Von Miller was the difference in that game.

As a free agent, spend your cap wad on him and then you have your Von Miller to build the team around. Pay the man $17M to be your defensive QB...Cut Paul Kruger and don't make an effort to stop Alex Mack and you've got about $13M right there...

Even Cutting Peyton Manning, I'm not sure the Broncos will be able to afford Miller. Depends on what Brock Osweiler costs them.

Add Joey Bosa at #2 overall and Tyler Matekevich at #96, voila, your linebacker corps is back in business.

Get your project QB at #32...fill in needs rounds 4-7..

 

I can't foresee a world where the Broncos don't find a way to keep him... especially after that post season.

Done and done.

Didn't you just say you had hesitations about him in the DPL?

Hate to pee in your Cheerios, but he's looking more and more like a second round pick. No. 32 is probably too high and No. 65 will probably be too low.

 

Yes, but for the record, I have hesitations about every player in this draft...I just not impressed with this draft class...Pretty sure I have said that repeatedly also.

Yeah, I actually meant #65, not #96...but I have said before he is a second round prospect. Imho, the best ILB in this draft. With this draft class, I would actually move him into a first round position. I was going off of the "rankings" that everyone seems to have him at. Most say he is going in the 3rd round, but I will be shocked if he makes it out of the second...

It wouldn't break my heart in the least if he were the #32 overall pick.

 

Scooby Wright. Dude's a beast.

 

beast is a little overzealous imho...

 

I wanted to touch back on two ideas from before:

1) Draft Cardale, let him sit for 3 years
2) Draft 2 QBs a la Washington

If we do draft Mr Jones, who is going to start for the next 3 years? I don't see McCown lasting through much more than A full season. At that point would you draft two in the hopes that one is closer now but CJ has higher ceiling?

 

I think there's a lot of merit to this idea. The question that needs answering is, to your point, who is going to start until then?

Would you take Goff at No. 2 and develop Cardale behind him an "in case" option or future trade bait? That seems like a steep price (two QBs in the Top 100 picks) for a team in desperate need to a roster improvement.

Would you take a chance on a free agent signal caller? In my opinion, the only one worth mentioning is going to be Robert Griffin, who comes with his own series of question marks.

It's a good question and great discussion point!

 

Cardale is not worth drafting IMO, he wasnt any good at Ohio St and how many QBs have we seen over the yrs that have the frame and arm 2 b a pro NFL QB...if he wasnt from Ohio St and a local kid is this even a discussion?

 

That's an interesting point. I think if he weren't from Ohio State and/or Cleveland, we'd probably be talking about someone like Christian Hackenberg, who's another tremendous arm talent.

I agree he wasn't very good at Ohio State, but that's also not a school that develops quarterbacks, nor is it an offense suited to someone like Cardale who's much more of a traditional drop-back passer.

In the NFL, arm talent will win out 9/10 with scouts and General Managers. Someone's going to take a chance on the guy and the feeling around here is... why not Cleveland?

 

Can someone show me a college that does develop QBs? There isn't a magic college that is a QB producer...with good reason...It takes too long. That's why they have schemes to devalue the QB need to throw perfectly.The college athlete has a maximum of 4 year investment, if they do have exorbitant talent, they leave after 3 years 95% of the time. Manning, Brady and Rodgers took longer than 3 years to develop fully once they arrived in the NFL.

Now to your point Sam, Ohio State does even less with their offensive philosophy than other schools do.

You only need to look at the watered down offense they ran in the 2014 end of the season to see what his arm is capable of. Sorry stopper, but I disagree in your assessment. I think he has all the physical talent in the world. Maybe one of the finest ever...That talent may very well end within the muscle fiber of his bicep, but I would definitely want to see if there is anything mentally there if I were a GM putting together a team for the future.

I agree we see more in him than those across the country, but that's because we watched up close and personal what he accomplished in such little time during that magical run.

They gave him a chance to run a more complicated version of the offense in 2015 and he failed..miserably. That may very well be a blessing in disguise. IF he were to drop to the 3rd round, he may be one of those very unique diamonds in the rough. After all, the drop in expectancy from the 3rd round down is pretty drastic. If you can land a player that can contribute in any way, it is a blessing. Many wash out and never make an impact at all. Taking a chance on a once in a lifetime talent is worth the risk of that player being just another bad draft pick.

IF THAT IS THE PLAN, then I am all about drafting Alex Smith...er...Jared Goff at #2. Goff will be worth more in 2016 and 2017 than Carson Wentz would be. He can play efficiently to see if Jones can be developed. With any luck, he can also turn out to be an All Pro...wouldn't it be nice to have that issue in 3 years, whether or not to unleash Cardale Jones, or continue with a worthy pro?

Or...they could both wash out and we can start all over in 2018...who the hell knows.

I would rather have a chance at two talented QBs though, than have the issue we are tied to now...Josh McCown or equivalent.

 

He's working with George Whitfield right now. Not sure if that means he's professionally or monetarily motivated but either way he's not sitting on his butt.

 

That's good, except for the fact it may motivate someone else to take a chance on him earlier in the draft...

 

If he were just monetarily motivated he would have gone pro last year. His stock couldn't have gotten much higher and that didn't matter much with the salary wage scale anyway. The problem this year could have been him putting too much pressure on himself after deciding to come back and try to improve his stock.

I have seen some people questioning the point of bringing him back to Cleveland, making money as a pro. That doesn't concern me for the above reason, he seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

 

Good point on going pro. I think his benching could say more about Urban than Cardale. Meyer has run the same offense forever. Cardale didn't exactly fit that offense which makes me wonder whey he ever recruited him in the first place but that's immaterial. Urban's goal was to win a national championship not develop a QB.

 

Urban recruits quarterbacks and plays them in different positions. It's one of his MO's. Maybe Cardale was supposed to be a tight end?