Oh, I know...I just said there is a good possibility, not that it was certain. BUT, if they are trading from #2 to #7, that tells me they don't want either one. If they identify either one as a top ten pick, then you stay right where you are and pick them, you don't play games if there is a QB worthy in your mind.
I think you're on to something top dawg, but it's not a trade down. The Browns might be hyping the QB discussion in order to convince some team to trade up with Tennessee and take a QB. I can easily see San Francisco moving up to select Goff which would allow Tennessee to slide into #7 overall and still pick up a quality offensive lineman (may even be able to get Tunsil). This would give the Browns the pick of the rest of the litter, which would likely be Jalen Ramsey or Myles Jack -- the two best players in this draft. We know that they want to get younger and more talented. And even though he's a reclamation project, they've got a 26-year old QB which, last time I looked, wasn't exactly "put out to pasture" kind of age. We know that they want to get faster, bigger, and more physical across the board and at nearly every position. And we know that they're going to put a value/production/cost ratio to every player, be it a free agent, draft pick, or current roster spot. A trade out of #2 seems unlikely because no one needs to jump San Diego for a QB... someone needs to jump Cleveland to get the best one. After the dust settles, if Goff is picked #1 overall, then you've got Cleveland looking at the next best QB (Wentz, a mid-20s prospect) or two elite defensive players. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Twice this past week I have heard it come up in discussion that the Eagles want to move ahead of the Browns for... Carson Wentz
What do you think the price will be? The Iggles have already moved up from 13 to 8 in a trade with Miami. They currently don't have a second round pick. (Traded to the Rams in the Bradford deal). I don't think that this years 3rd and a future first (2017) will be enough to climb ahead of the Browns.
I think it is probably out of their price range unless the Titans are willing to take less to move down.
I've heard the same thing Tim, and I know your views on the QBs, but don't waste your time around here even discussing Wentz. It has already been decided, if they go Goff, the Browns are Super Bowl bound...if they take Wentz, it is the worst decision ever by the franchise...there is little room for in between talk of any kind. What I want to know is how the ONLY talk of a trade down involves the QBs... SAS, you clearly state the two best players in this draft are Jack and Ramsey...so if that is the case, why is there no talk of any teams wanting to move up in the draft to get their hands on one of them? There is a lot of, we hope this guy or that guy falls to our draft spot, but no one willing to trade up to get them? I personally don't think there is a clear cut top 10 in this draft, which is very unusual. There is a clear cut depth of positions and the defensive line is stacked. I wouldn't shudder at the thought of a trade down in the least.
I think Dallas is in play for Jalen Ramsey and if they can get a reasonable deal they would move up to take him. If not for Jack's injury I think someone would be willing to move into the top 3 to draft him. There will be phone calls for someone looking to draft Tunsil, probably the Chargers and again, it would need to be a reasonable price considering the available talent that SD would still be able to draft if no deal went down. The media talking heads like discussing quarterbacks because it drives clicks. I think there are 3 players at the top worth moving up for but if I'm in the top 20 I'm pretty happy with the talent that should be available.
I can honestly say this with a straight face... I would be happy if the Browns exited the first round with either(and in no particular order): Joey Bosa Deforest Buckner Jalen Ramsey Vernon Hargreaves Myles Jack Ezekial Elliot Carson Wentz Jared Goff Laquon Treadwell Any of those in the top ten, I would be happy.. If they traded out of the top ten and get a second 2nd round pick, obviously any of the above that drop..also, Darren Lee Emmanuel Ogbah Josh Doctson If his medical turns up no nerve damage...Jaylon Smith, we aren't going to be competitive in 2016 anyway...if a QB can sit a year, so can potentially the best LB in this draft class.
Because it's a QB league. And it's been something like 20 years since the first overall pick was any position other than QB, LT, or DE. Draft value and history definitely play a huge role in the process. It's practically unheard of for anyone to move up and take an 3-4 MLB or 4-3 OLB at #1 overall. Shawn Springs was the highest drafted CB in recent history, and that was 1994, I believe (#3 overall).
I'll do you one better...it's almost unheard of to DRAFT a 3-4 MLB or 4-3 OLB, safety or cornerback in the top 5, let alone #1 overall, let alone trading up to take one.. In fact, in the past 15 drafts, there have been a total of: Zero ILB taken in the top 5, only 5 in the top 10...(1) #8, (3) #9 and (1) #10 TWO Safeties taken in the top 5, BOTH at #5 overall THREE Cornerbacks taken in the top 5, ALL THREE were at #5 overall So, let me repeat...over the last 15 years, there hasn't been an ILB, S or CB taken any higher than #5 overall in any draft. We are picking at #2, and your two choices for that pick are a S/CB and an ILB. Talk about bucking the system. You may ask yourself, why? Because it is not a position of grand enough importance to rate that high of a draft pick... Now, if you can convince me Jalen Ramsey is the best defensive back to enter the NFL in the last 15 years, or Myles Jack is the best ILB to enter the draft in the past 15 years...we can start a conversation. But just, as an opinion, you believe they are the two best players in this draft, I'm not sure that would be enough. I know it wouldn't be enough considering I don't feel the same passion as you do on Myles Jack. Jalen Ramsey has gotten my attention... But if either of these players are taken in the top 4, they will be making history as the highest at their positions, in at least the past 15 years. 18 years ago, a upstart prospect named Charles Woodsen was the #4 overall pick of the Oakland Raiders...that is how far back you need to go to get one earlier than #5 overall... You need to go back to 1992 to find either position taken in the top 2 picks..Quentin Coryatt, ILB Texas A&M #2 overall pick of the Indianapolis Colts. I'm not saying you can't take a position that is NEVER picked that highly, I'm just saying they better be epically proportioned talent wise to do so...I don't know that either are THAT highly talented to warrant this discussion...Apparently the Titans feel that way about Ramsey, but three weeks from today when the clock strikes 8:00 in Chicago, I highly doubt Myles Jack will hear his name before the #5 pick goes on the clock.
If we are not able to trade down, we will take a QB at #2....We almost have to IMO. Signing RG3 was nice, but are we not still among the weakest in the NFL at the game's most important position? We have to take a shot.... I agree with that list of 9 players Irish. I like em all...but talk of us going another position at #2 just doesn't seem likely at all IMO....if no trade, I'm assuming we'll take #7 or #8 on your list...
Again, so much of the draft is needs-based, regardless of what GMs or scouts would say. QB, LT, and DE gets picked frequently because their either more important, or safer, than other picks. Patrick Willis was the #11 overall pick in 2007, JaMarcus Russell was #1 overall. Think the Raiders would have liked a mulligan? Of course, this gets into the other part of the draft is that players need to be put in the right situation to have success, which is sometimes just as (or even more) important than perceived talent-level. A defensive player on the Browns is likely to have more success -- especially early on -- than an offensive player, especially a QB.
The list was more a vindication of a trade down. If we were able to receive proper compensation, I would have no worry trading down to the #7/8 pick of this draft. I don't see any on that list of 9 that I see as a clear better talent than any of the others. At #2 it is difficult to see them draft, due to position importance, Jalen Ramsey Vernon Hargreaves Myles Jack Ezekial Elliot Laquon Treadwell Based on positional importance and historical values placed on those positions Joey Bosa, OLB/Edge Rusher, Deforest Buckner DE, Carson Wentz QB, Jared Goff QB Are much more likely candidates for that high of a draft pick. If the talent level were much more relevant and the gap wider, it would make a difference, but it just isn't. Add to this list the two OT, Laremy Tunsil and Ronnie Stanley, it is easy to see a top talent available as low as #11 overall...Then add in Darren Lee, Emmanuel Ogbah and Josh Doctson..You could easily see a value in trading down as far as the Rams, if they really covet a QB. It would be a hefty price tag for them, but the talent value would be immense if they were able to get something like #15, #45, #110 and 2017 First round pick.
Hue's obviously not allergic to reclamation projects. A Christian Hackenberg in the late second, early third would make a ton of sense, given our recent signing.
I'll try to link to it later, but I read an interesting piece (maybe Grossi) speculating that there was some negotiation between Hue and Sashi/Paul with regards to him being allowed to bring in Griffin as his project if Sashi/Paul got final (or at least more) say over the usage of #2. That doesn't mean they won't trade down -- more likely than not, that's what analytics would say to do -- but it also means that they may steer clear of QB if indeed said negotiations happened and both sides are content with the starter they have in place.
I read that also...I still want Hue's input, even if QB is taken off the table at #2 though. As far as a decision to trade down, decide if compensation makes sense, then pull the trigger if it does. If not, consensus player...
HEY Don't go including me in that bunch *KISSING* *THIS* I'm still on record that I'm not sure whom I'd prefer between Wentz and Goff *SCRATCH* IMHO they both have room to grow at the next level and I'm not sold on either one as the future franchise QB for the Browns. *INLOVE*
