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Discussion in 'Cleveland Indians' started by bluez, May 12, 2013.

  1. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    DETROIT: I often feel uncomfortable, almost embarrassed, watching the Indians at Progressive Field this season.

    This is not a commentary on the performance of the team but on the tens of thousands of empty seats stretched out before me.

    Where are the fans? I can?t help but wonder whether I missed the news; everyone else in Northeast Ohio is somewhere more desirable, and nobody told me.

    I thought I was following the right people on Twitter, but I?m not hearing anything. From 1994 into the new century, Jacobs/Progressive Field was the place to be. Now, anywhere but the ballpark is where the 3.7 million people that comprise the Tribe?s primary market go to be entertained.

    Are there secret nightly parties at the unfinished Medical Mart? Is the entire population of Cuyahoga County in a long line to claim free $100 chips at the Horseshoe Casino? Are the Gladiators suddenly filling up Quicken Loans Arena?

    Is there an overwhelming urge for thousands of fans to visit Holmes County to eat cheese? Are all the young couples who used to come to baseball games sitting in wine bars sipping merlot and pinot noir? Is every baseball fan staying home to watch Duck Dynasty on the flat screen? Are there any baseball fans?

    I know there are at least 10,000. That seems to be the baseline number at Progressive Field. There have been even smaller crowds for a few games but not much smaller. And yes, the Indians got their usual Opening Day sellout and drew 20,000 for Dollar Dog Night (Now I am embarrassed).

    This is not a plea for people to spend their money on the Indians. I?m not about to tell anyone what to do with his discretionary income.

    I also know generally how and why teams attract fans and why they don?t, but this is an extreme case. This franchise is last in attendance in all of major-league baseball, and it?s not even close. Per-game attendance at Progressive Field is 4,000 less than the Kansas City Royals, who are 29th in attendance.

    Does the Tribe have the worst winning percentage in baseball? Not by a long shot. Does the team play in a dump? Hardly. Are prices for tickets, food, parking and merchandise higher than the market can bear?

    Even if many seats weren?t heavily discounted, Indians tickets would be reasonably priced. And you will find the cost of ancillary items are similar to that of most teams.

    So what is going on?

    Attendance is largely based on fans? expectations formed by the club?s performance in preceding years and by the moves a franchise makes the previous offseason.

    That being the standard, the Tribe deserves to be among the lower rank of teams in attendance. Performance over the last decade has been disappointing at best, and the fans had a serious grievance with owners Larry and Paul Dolan, who have had problems funneling sufficient cash into the team to make it competitive.

    But circumstances changed that dynamic over the winter. Because the Tribe dropped about $36 million in salary, General Manager Chris Antonetti had the resources to sign Nick Swisher, Mark Reynolds, Brett Myers and Jason Giambi.

    And when Antonetti discovered that Michael Bourn would agree to come to Cleveland, the Dolans allowed the GM to go over budget to sign the center fielder.

    Even before signing season, Antonetti created positive buzz by signing Terry ?Why would he come here?? Francona to succeed Manny Acta as manager.

    Early in spring training, club officials told me that the signings of Swisher and Bourn (especially Bourn) caused a serious spike in season-ticket renewals, to upwards of 90 percent.

    But the small number of season tickets ? fewer than 8,000 ? probably is the most serious hurdle in trying to rebuild attendance. No team can draw 2.5 million or more without a solid season-ticket base that numbers at least 15,000.

    When Dick Jacobs owned the franchise, season-ticket sales passed 26,000, which means before the first game was played, the club was guaranteed to draw more than 2.1 million.

    Why have season-ticket sales plummeted? The team has played poorly, and fans have learned that the Dolans? method of supporting the club doesn?t work. Maybe they realized that, too, which might have contributed to the offseason spending spree.

    But perceptions are difficult to change. Fans aren?t likely to buy into the Dolans? approach unless they see more winters like the last one. People are not about to spend thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars on season tickets if they don?t think the owners will do whatever is necessary to win.

    Despite the layers of negative feelings erected over the years, it looked like 2013 would be the year the Tribe could begin to turn their fortunes around on the field and at the turnstiles because of the active offseason.

    And that might have happened if not for the club?s poor start. Keep in mind the Indians were five games under .500 10 days ago, and they spent most of April trying to dig themselves out of a hole.

    When the team got off to a slow start, the fans tuned out. In addition to losing, the club wasn?t hitting, and offense was the element that Antonetti tried hardest to fix (proving again to the fans that Cleveland is jinxed and can?t catch a break).

    Keep in mind that April weather and kids still in school keep attendance down in a normal year. But small crowds usually have numbered 15,000 not 10,000, which too often has been the norm the first six weeks of the schedule.

    So will this season rank as the attendance nadir for the Tribe? Call me crazy, but if the team can stay reasonably close to the Detroit Tigers until September, I think there will be a small but significant rise from last year?s attendance of 1.6 million. If the Indians can stay hot for another week or two, fans will begin to buy tickets for June, July and August.

    But lagging attendance isn?t something that can be repaired in a few weeks. It took a decade to ruin the season-ticket base, and it will take at least half that long to rebuild it, even if the team is a postseason contender for the next five years.

    Remember that Rome wasn?t built in a day, and Julius Caesar only had to worry about the threat of assassination, not public apathy over the signings of Aaron Cunningham and Vinny Rottino.

    Sheldon Ocker can be reached at socker@thebeaconjournal
     
  2. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    Tribe takes two outta three from the Tiggers ..time to start believing in them me thinks .


    Next up the Stankees this week on the Lakefront
     
  3. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    the Tribe keep rolling along here . first place ! how long can they keep this up ? nobody knows but fans are starting to believe in them . it shows at the gate . attendance is UP !
     
  4. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    FIRTS PLACE FIRST PLACE I say again FIRST PLACE *THUMBSUP*
     
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  6. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    Crex saw that ..smoke Perez *CRAZY*
     
  7. crextin Franchise Player Browns

    Dude should probably have signed w/ the Rockies or Mariners %)
     
  8. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    he is very polarising . this will not help his cause . then again a little weed never hurt anybody O:)
     
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  10. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    Indians closer Chris Perez and his wife Melanie have been charged with a misdemeanor count of possession of controlled substance, reports Connor Kiesel of NewsNet5.com. They were served on Thursday afternoon before being released on bond.

    Earlier this week, authorities were investigating a suspicious delivery made to Perez's home. The package contained a little more than a third of a pound of marijuana, or 163.9 grams. Rocky River (Ohio) police, a regional narcotics unit and postal inspectors were involved in the investigation.

    The Indians have not commented since the charges were filed. The team released a statement earlier this week indicating they would not comment until more information had been gathered. Perez's attorney said the couple will enter not guilt pleas in a statement.

    Dan Chaplin, a Cleveland defense attorney not connected with the case, told the Associated Press the charge is comparable to a traffic ticket and said a conviction would likely result in a fine.

    Perez, 27, is currently on the DL with shoulder tendinitis. In 17 games this season, the two-time All-Star is 6 for 8 in save opportunities with a 4.32 ERA.
     
  11. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    If you have ever gone to a Indians game and you sat anywhere on the Indians side of the field, you would have had to see or hear Lou Rodgers the hot dog guy. Lou knows hot dogs and baseball go together better than the ball and the bats.

    Nothing was more entertaining than watching Lou do his thing for the past six seasons. He made people like hot dogs, he made people understand that hot dogs and baseball went together. For 6 years Lou would sell hot dogs like no other vendor on the face of this earth.

    He was a hero to kids, they would run up to Lou grab his leg and beg to have their picture taken with him. Seeing Lou do his things was at times better than watching the Indians play baseball. No one is in more Youtube videos as a vendor at a stadium more than Lou is.

    Apparently this season Lou and another vendor exchanged words. The other vendor went into Lou?s section and started pedaling his goods. The guy was cutting into Lou?s sales. People who sell hot dogs at baseball games don?t get rich. Guys like Lou do it for the love of the game and the love of putting hot dogs in the hands of the fans.

    If you saw Lou or know who I am talking about you know exactly what I mean. The guy was an icon at the home of the Cleveland Indians.

    All Lou wants is his job back. He loved being part of the setting the Indians call home. He was part of the home field advantage and he helped people enjoy the experience of going to a game. Lou wasn?t fired by the Indians.

    He was let go by a company called Sports Services. They have the food contract at Progressive field. Lou had a clean record for 6 years working at Progressive field. Food Services could have handled the situation better.

    They could have sat Lou down and given him a warning, they didn?t instead they chose to fire Lou. They made a choice to deprive the thousands of fans that viewed Lou as an icon of their entertainment.

    Food Services could have done the right thing. They could have issued a warning to Lou and they could have written him up and placed it in his personnel file. There is nothing that can replace Lou at Progressive Field.

    The guy was a riot. We will have Lou on the Cleveland Sports 360 show Monday night July 29th at 7:00P.M. to tell his side of the story. If you are a fan of the Cleveland Indians and you enjoyed seeing Lou at the games, you should consider writing a letter and asking the Indians if they can intervene and have Lou reinstated.

    Take a minute and watch the video and see how Lou helped the fans enjoy the experience of attending the game. Then make sure to watch the Cleveland Sports 360 show next Monday night at 7 and if you have seen Lou and you want to tell him what he meant to you when you went to games you can call the show next Monday night by dialing 216-672-4300. Catch the show on www.streamingsportstalk.com Monday night at 7.

    In the mean time contact the Indians and ask them to help get Loy Rodgers back in action. He was an experience at every Indians home game. lets help Lou get back to where he belongs
     
  12. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Indians with back to back shutouts of the Rangers, 1-0 and 6-0...their hangin' tough in the Central.
     
  13. Indians are a good team and always manage to win when the Tigers do. healthy competition is always a good thing. that being said I hope you end up in 2nd
     
  14. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    Tribe time tonight *BRAVO*
     
  15. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Good luck, from a Tigers fan. Hope they do well. I live in Toledo, and will be tuned in and pulling for the Tribe.
     
  16. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

    Will thanks ..I like both the Lions & Tigers as long as they aren't playing Cleveland .it is a Lake Erie thing with me .if your Detroit , Cleveland or Buffalo you get no respect . screw em we are mostly blue collar roll up our sleeves get dirty go to work punch you in the mouth fan bases ..

    to those who haven't visited you will be surprised as to what they all offer .
     
  17. bluez M.V.P. Browns Indians

  18. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Well, that sucked. You can be proud though bluez. Indians had a great year. Better than I expected. No way did I think they would go 92-70 and finish just 1 game out. Definetly a team to be recond with.
    Agreed. Plenty of cool things to do in those towns. The sports fan bases are second to none.

    Good luck...see ya around.
     
  19. Its Tribe time know!!!!! After the Browns season of " They don't really know" I'm happier than a pig in chit that the baseball season is here. Now if the warm weather would just show up.
     
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