The place where Shane is ranked #4 in top 100 big board has Zierlein #12. Bad 2022 really pushing him down.
Bengals drafted Jake Elliott in the 5th. He struggled in camp and they put him on the practice squad after losing the job to Bullock. Sturgis got hurt and put on IR so the Eagles took him a couple weeks into the season and despite a few pockets of struggles, mainly when it ultimately didn't matter, he's been money. But while he might have been worth it, it wasn't their pick.
35-75. 35 being eligible for 5+ years, but he beats all of them that weren't. But only like 3 guys not eligible are Mel Kiper/Daniel Jeremiah level (pretty good but not amazing). Have to average 83-84+ a year to be in elite company on that list I'd say as 83 is the lowest average single season best scout.
Of course some guys are just better through 3-4 rounds or just predicting the 1st round. Both, mainly Charlie from Walter Football, Kiper, etc are pretty good in the first round. Shane is good through 100 and deeper into the draft but there aren't really any reliable measures of online ranking/scouting success of people through the whole draft as far as I know.
I just watched a draft, can’t remember whose, on NFL network that had the Browns drafting him I the 6th. They also had them passing on Omarion Hampton for Jalen Milroe, fucking hope that is way off.. I don’t think Hampton will be there at 33 anyway, but Milroe is not the answer.
I don’t see the connection there for Milroe and the Browns. It just feels like a bad fit for Stefanski.
@Dcat @LAOJoe The thing that is getting ignored in the kicker conversation is the obvious - This is a mock. I was able to get my favorite kicker in this class without spending a pick. Most people participating in these ignore the position. You can bake that into my ability to simply sit and get Loop as an UDFA. Now, if I’m actually being paid to run the Ravens? Yes, my approach to getting the guy I want on the roster changes. I’m going to have information to work through to get a gauge on his market, from the player and other sources, so I can make a properly educated guess on where to take him without overpaying. None of that applies for this exercise, so I get my player and a chest thump for spending nothing on him.
I agree 100%. I’m not naive, the Browns are going to take a QB. If they give up draft capital to move back into the first to take Sanders, I can live with that. He would actually suit Stefanski’s philosophy and scheme, Milroe would go against that mindset.
This is my primary reason for advocating that selection. I’m not sure the trade up to get him is going to exist. I know it looks really good on paper to draft Travis and move back up for Shedeur, but I’m not sure the odds favor CLE pulling off that move.
I hope you’re right, just because I said his traits fit the scheme doesn’t mean I want to waste draft capital on him. Frankly, I think there are plenty of Shedeur Sanders in the NFL community already that are readily available. Hell, they could trade out the Joe Flaccos of the world year over year and have just as much success as the probability that Sanders becomes a top ten QB. We have so many other needs, needs that have great prospects that will be available at #33. That is what I want the focus to be on.
Go back enough to the first or second time we talked about it (ya it did Loop around that many times) and that part was actually brought up by me (without explicitly saying it's a mock).
And this goes back to the “2 ways to play it” debate. Do I handle the draft with more real world dynamics and act like the actual front office? Or do I take more of my own preferred approach and/or compete against the realities I will face in these mocks?
It's always a blend to some degree for me. And the realities you face in these mocks is often quite different from those that happen in the draft.
I think it goes with who you are repping. In the first mock, with the Browns, I definitely threw out all reality and it had my personal stamp on it. Coming into this one for the Saints, I tried to put the needs and real world possibilities based on past draft history into the thinking. The result was something that is probably closer to reality than the first go around. I don’t have a lot of respect for Shedeur Sanders, but history shows us these types of players, namely QBs, will bend reality into hopes and dreams worthy of passing on some of the best prospects in the expectation that they hit pay dirt on the most important position in football. At the end of the day, I will be shocked if Sanders isn’t a top ten pick. Dart most likely will be also. We will probably see Milroe in the top 21 picks gone as well. After that, reality might start drifting in, but there is enough there with these 4 to pull that draft history back into focus on just how important GMs/owners put in the position.
Los Angeles Chargers UDFA's: 1. Kaden Prather, WR, Maryland 2. Maxen Hook, S, Toledo New York Jets UDFA's: 1. Joe Huber, G, Wisconsin 2. Ahmed Hassanein, Edge, Boise St
Los Angeles Chargers draft: 1.22 Kenneth Grant DT Michigan 2.55 J.T. Tuimoloau EDGE Ohio State 3.86 Terrance Ferguson TE Oregon 4.125 Isaac TeSlaa WR Arkansas 5.158 D.J. Giddens RB Kansas State 6.181 Robert Longerbeam CB Rutgers via NE 6.199 Cam Horsley DT Boston College 6.209 Jack Nelson OT Wisconsin 6.214 Drew Kendall C Boston College 7.256 Fadil Diggs EDGE Syracuse UDFA 1 Kaden Prather WR Maryland UDFA 2 Maxen Hook S Toledo
New York Jets draft: 1.7 Will Campbell, OT LSU 2.42 Tyleik Williams, DL Ohio State 3.73 Harold Fannin, TE Bowling Green 4.110 Savion Williams, WR TCU 5.145 Bilhal Kone, CB Western Michigan 5.162 Malachi Moore, S Alabama 6.186 KeAndre Lambert-Smith, WR Auburn 7.217 Chase Lundt, OL UConn 7.242 Ryan Fitzgerald, PK Florida State UDFA 1 Joe Huber G Wisconsin UDFA 2 Ahmed Hassanein Edge Boise St
I can't believe you managed to get Diggs in round 7! I can't believe I didn't realize he was still there! I would have added him in a heartbeat; he's in my top 100.
