The full text of the article is in a comment there, and not surprising he completely lost the locker room. But the most interesting bit to me, is that he had the press conference because George, Poles and Warren were all meeting about his firing still. To me that makes it clear what was suspected all along, George didn't want to fire him, and was still fighting against it here. Our organization will never be right for as long as he is in charge. He's "not involved in football decisions" yet can veto firing. This was apparently a 5 year contract? No wonder they didn't let him go last year. And I don't feel in the slightest bad for Flus, he still collects a check, fuck him.
Stop pissing in everyone's cherrios. It's been a bad year. Let me think for a couple weeks that a catch like Shanahan is actually doable.
Connor Williams, the formerly injured, former Miami Dolphin Center, recovered from his injury in time to start the season for Seattle. He played well, but not as well as he'd have liked, and reportedly retired for mental health reasons. His replacement, Oluwatimi from Michigan, has stepped in and played well (from what I've read. I haven't seen the film. And it's only been a week or two). Oluwatimi was a 5th round draft pick that I banged the table for. Poles passed him up multiple times. Two centers that Poles could've had. Both would've been upgrades on what Chicago has trotted out. Poles can lick my asshole.
Even if there was an inkling that Eberflus would be fired, you should have delayed his press conference by a couple of hours so everybody wouldn't look so fucking stupid. If the reports of the locker room after the game are true, there should be nothing left to think about, nothing, yet here we are. If you are more concerned about paying out a couple of years of contract to a bum hire than you are running a competent football team then sell the motherfucking team.
Twitter idiots now calling for Mike Vrabel. He averaged 9 wins a season in six years in Tennessee. Fucking Bears fans love mediocrity.
With a bad QB. And he won a couple big playoff games and got to an AFC Championship. Definitely could do way worse than Vrabel. With a good QB and OC I think he would keep us consistently competitive.
I presume you mean Ryan Tannehill..........as a Titan he did OK in 2021 and almost beat the odds and just missed going to the Super Bowl after losing to the Bengals. But you do not want Mike Vrabel as your Head Coach.
I lived down the street from Vrabel for 5 years. Nice guy. Would love to drink beers with him. I want him no where near my football team.
If Shanahan is available, something is wrong and he did more than ‘just have a down year.’ I want the bears to find the sustaining coach, not someone else’s who figured it out—and Shanahan for his results also makes some idiot in-game decisions too, and drew ire for running Deebo into the ground. Find a guy who understands offense—that’s the easy part. The hard part comes when it’s time to properly vet the candidate to understand in-game situations and build the talent he’s got. What separates guys like Nagy and Daboll from Matt LaFleur and Kevin O’Connell. Fuck the ‘coaching tree’ the guy comes from—be the guy in a close game/1 score game who isn’t 5-22 or whatever Flushed’s record was. It’s why I like/have hope for Zac Robinson, more than Ben Johnson. I see what he’s doing in Atlanta, and it’s just like the 4 names I mentioned—he’s spreading the ball around to multiple play makers, getting London, Pitts, and Mooney all big stats. Put him through a meat grinder in terms of vetting his decisions like time outs, situational awareness, etc. make sure he bring spreading the ball around mentality (and hopefully not a product of Kirk cousins being around long enough—which I admit can be a possibility) he may not be a viable candidate, but he may be the next LaFleur or O’Connell. Ben Johnson on the other hand balances run/pass well with 2 big receiving targets and Jameson Williams when he isn’t hurt or suspended, but Dan Campbell seems like he brings the energy and shit players love to the sidelines. And I’d rather have the next young bright up and comer than a retread, even if it’s a retread whose name everyone knows and likes.
Bruce Arians and Andy Reid are notable "retreads" who had moderate success with their first teams before winning a Super Bowl with their second teams. Go back further and there are even more examples like Dick Vermeil, Don Shula, Tony Dungy, Tom Coughlin... probably more that I'm forgetting. The idea of an up and comer is as appealing to me as it is to you. If we had certainty that Robinson or Johnson or someone else is the next LaFleur I'd be all in. The thing about Johnson is he has a top 2-3 OL, the best RB tandem in the league, top 10 WR group, far better TEs than we have. I'm impressed with how much he's gotten out of Goff (even though Goff has never played well against us). But yeah the Lions are stacked with talent all around especially OL and that alone can make any OC look good. That's why I am not sold on him. As for Robinson, yeah Cousins is gonna Cousins like he did yesterday, but their offense has been good. I probably would prefer to see what he could get out of Pennix first before I was sold.
Aftermath to "The Flushing". Did you guys see the Warren/Poles(in that order)presser today? Wow! I know some think Bears pressers are a waste of time, personally i've often found there's plenty to read between the lines. Today didn't need that much effort, there were just the lines heh. The demeanour of the two could not have been more different: - Its easy to assume Warren is here simply to get a new stadium built, and heck that may even have been Plan A inside the building. After seeing this all i can say is WRONG! After spending about a year and a half keeping a fairly low profile, Warren has obviously decided he's done fucking around now. This presser was his show and everyone there knew it. Oh he tried to tell us Poles is the GM and he's in charge, but the more he stressed that the more apparent it became who's really in charge. - I have never seen Poles like that before. In a way Poles makes me chuckle cos he's often such an open book in some ways. He has huge problems controlling his emotions. I'd love to play him at poker. I wrote that on friday and today was the proof. Poles was visibly cowed in this presser, lacking presence and self-confidence, but i'd go even further. He didnt just look like he'd been separated from his balls, he looked like Warren had reached down and snatched his soul. Warren is clearly a strong presence when he wants to be, we saw that today. If he is this forthright in public imagine how he must've been in private! Imagine the conversations he and Poles have had the last few days and the big ass questions Poles will have faced. If the reports are true from Jan that Warren wanted to fire Eberflus then and Poles went in to bat(again being influenced by his emotions), then i'd say Warren gave Poles the rope to hang himself with, proverbially speaking . Not in terms of losing his job(yet) but losing a lot of authority. - We have never known exactly where things stood with Warren until now. Is he Poles boss or is he Sweaty Ted Mk2, just here to build a stadium and count beans? He is not the latter. I dont know how competent Warren will be in making right decisions/making the Bears a world class everything as he says. But he's not just a Sweaty Ted and personally i say thats no bad thing. - I don't wanna labour the point about Poles, but i do just have to mention Dan Weiderer. I've always thought the guy was a bit weasley, but today he was brutal. They open to questions, first one goes to Poles who says something uninteresting. Then POW, in comes Weid directing the second question straight back to Warren basically asking straight up how he has faith in Poles competence anymore! You need to watch the presser to get this i think, but having been sidelined for so much of that presser and looking so meak & timid when he did speak, that question made Poles look so bad. It was stone cold and yes i kinda enjoyed it. - The presser came to a strangely abrupt ending after only 15-20mins(Warrens opening statement must've been 5-6mins). May have been because Poles absolutely butchered the last question which went back to the Waldron hire. The pause from Poles was so long that i actually felt uncomfortable for him. The answer made no real sense. He really looked to be struggling. The PR head shutting it down right after had to be linked to it. Poles looks like a guy visibly shook by how much authority he has lost in the last 72hours. Maybe all thats bullshit but its my take having watched it. Going forward i find it very hard to imagine Poles still on this team 2ish years from now. He and Warren are very clearly two different personality types. He was not a Warren hire. And now Warren is gonna be involved. The HC hire looks like a no win for Poles now. Warrens fingerprints will be all over it, but he also stated clearly and publicly that Poles is the point guy on this. Very smart. If the hire fails Poles will inevitably carry the can(and prob get fired). If the hire succeeds Warren will feel(and prob tell George) he was largely the reason why. The one thing Poles can do to regain some authority in there is prob the roster management. I dont think Warren will get into the weeds of player decisions for many reasons(other than trades perhaps). Poles is not just gonna have to nail the ass out of his draft picks, he's gonna have to show real results next season. That means spending money. Poles has generally been very conservative in FA up until now, i expect that to change big time this March. Look for some quick fixes, in the trenches if he's smart. Bottom line: Its totally dysfunctional, but when has this team ever been any different. I dont think Poles is very good at his job so i dont care if Warren starts throwing his weight around. Maybe just maybe it will be for the better.
These two aren’t the greatest examples, though they fit. Arians’ brief success was quickly forgotten when he got fired, then he won the lottery, went to Tampa and got the best qb of all time, sure fire first ballot HOF to coach, and Andy Reid got the best young QB and also a future 1st ballot HOF (possibly the one guy in our lifetimes who theoretically could knock TB12 off the top of the mountain) to mold. Arians then retired the second he won one. Are the bears getting ‘the best of all time’ anywhere with a retread? What HOF qb is coming? Sure, we want it to be Caleb, but which retread gets that out of him after a start to a career only an idiot team like the bears could achieve? Not trying to be a smart ass, but who are the retreads now available in the coaching pool in about a month and change? Your logic of ‘if we knew/had certainty he’d be good he’d already be hired’ which is correct, applies to retreads too. Furthermore, there should be signs that former coaches who sucked the first go around may have figured something out to earn a round 2. Who are those names right now? Andy Reid aside (he’s been in KC for over a decade now) Dan Quinn is the only recent retread that seems to be working out, and I’m giving him a lot of leeway given the commies are good his 1st year. And for every Dan Quinn, how about a Doug Pederson, who won a SB then got fired and hired as a retread. And I know we can go tit for tat in terms of 1st timers and retreads who sucked in and out, so no need to keep naming names. The media seems to be pushing Nagy right now (LOL no thanks, that clown can’t convince me he’s learned anything since getting shit canned) BB is already a retread, and while I expect him to get interviews, he got no HC offerings last winter despite his success and Super Bowl wins, and after a HOF QB left him, the allure left him as well. Who else? Vrabel? Hard pass. I’ll caution, be careful what you wish for. Even after Sweaty Teddy stopped putting his fingers in the pie, it didn’t get better. It wasn’t better before either, and he wasn’t a football guy. Warren is a businessman first, second and third and then a tax lawyer second (with roles for the rams and Vikes in those respective departments). When he was Big 10 commish, he turned them into a powerhouse conference it continues to be, expanding East and west for more schools/teams. He’s looking for free land, no rent or taxes from the state of Illinois no matter how goofy they look now seemingly every other month changing locations because Governor Fat Boy (pritzker) told them ‘no’ again, and he can’t ask the idiot mayor of Chicago because he’s got to fill a budget gap of his own doing for a couple billion. I don’t want to sound defeatist, but my eyes can’t unsee it. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Yeah, very possibly true. That last bit i wrote came out of desperation as much as anything. None of it is the way good teams are run is it.
This is a reach, but im just gonna put it out there cos i will look great if it turns out true lol. I dont know if a GM has ever resigned or when/where it happened if it did. But i cant help thinking in that presser Poles visibly looked like a guy who....didnt want to be there anymore..... Has it gotten too big for him? It got too big for Flush. Remember he cant hide his emotions so maybe he hadnt long found out he'd been neutered. Maybe he'll regroup. But it looked bad today.
Which is entirely my point. We shouldn't rule out a retread just as we shouldn't rule out an up and comer. Neither is a certainty one way or the other. All my points about Ben Johnson's success remain, and yet he could be the next LaFleur/McVeigh too. We're here to discuss/debate the options. That said, a few retreads I will rule out: Nagy - duh Adam Gase - duh Jim Caldwell - Lovie 2.0. Scared to death Georgie and the Ernie Acorsie/Colts guy search committee will fall for him BB - 1) he clearly hates Caleb Williams and 2) he will want GM powers Rex Ryan - he lost his own lockerroom multiple times over in two different cities Robert Salah - I don't think he's as bad as everyone else thinks but he really did nothing impressive with or without Erin
May have just been due to the BS Warren was spewing and he was embarrassed, not anything to do with his morale about his own job.
