MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK

You know...this is honestly a complete fucktard response.

 

I am not using ONLY Super Bowl wins as the basis for induction but it cannot be excluded. You need to take in a players entire body of work and what stamp it left on the NFL as a whole while that player played. If your saying induction is based on individual performance how can you negate a players individual performance on the biggest stage against the top competition?

Eli doesn’t deserve induction because the Giants won 2 Super Bowls he deserves it for his entire body of work including incredible individual performances in those 2 Super Bowl victories.

 

You mean like when he trapped an overthrown pass on his helmet for a 1st down reception?

I will give you this . . . He did a remarkable job escaping a sack before he overthrew that pass.

 

He was never elite in his career. There isn’t a season of his that you could point to and make the claim that he was a top QB for that season because other guys were better.

Eli is a perfect example of a player that belongs in the Hall of Good Players....when the HOF should really be about greatness.

 

On this we probably agree more than you think. Induction into the HoF should be based on a player's entire career. His performance in a championship game is just another data set that is included in that career.

 

Julian Edelman has some really great postseason stats. His regular season stats, compared to his peers, and simply average.

But he has rings. So by the logic being used here he should be in the HOF. And by absolutely no means should Edelman be in the HOF.

 

You are making your argument on how you think the Hall should be. Not how it is. I agree that the Hall of Fame should be only for those who were the absolute best. And in that Hall Eli doesn’t make it. But you would need to exclude a hole lot of players IMO to leave Eli out.

When I think of the HOF I think of the players that, when they become eligible, most agree they should be in. First ballot. If you are not one of those players your just not that good. But that’s not how it is. IMO if you stack Eli’s career up against other players already in I don’t see how he doesn’t make it. Eventually.

 

Rob, you’re making the same argument....how you want it to be. Neither of us can correctly say what the HOF is because the HOF itself doesn’t exactly define what it is.

In my opinion you’re using flawed logic.

I do think there are players in the Hall that wouldn’t get my vote. That’s true in probably all four of the major sports.

Eli really stands out for me because compared to his peers, that played in the same era as him, he doesn’t cut it. The lone argument that can be made is the championships and they are not an individual accomplishment no matter how you structure that argument.

 

Someone said Eli isn't elite, but you can'r spell elite without Eli. He made more money than any other player in league history from a player contract standpoint. That means he was a valued player. He cut down Darth Vader with his light saber, twice. Eli gets in under the Joe Namath clause. He isn't great but had accomplishments that no other team and player could have managed to do, that's beating the Patriots twice in the SB.

 

so how much money you make equates to how great you are now?

This is awesome news for Albert Haynesworth.

 

Why? Eli made more money from the NFL than any other player in NFL history. No it doesn't make you HOF worthy, but it is interesting. If you asked me to name the player who earned the most money in NFL history I probably would guess 10 or more names before he would even come to mind.

 

There was a point.

And then 500 feet of air.

And then your head.

 

Redskins VP: 'New staff knows' Haskins is starting QB

Dwayne Haskins played his best football in the final month of his rookie season. It coincided with the time Ron Rivera was out of coaching. The young quarterback can really win over his new coach in the ensuing months.

After being hired by the Redskins last month, Rivera highlighted the growth Haskins demonstrated late in the season. He also said he would wait to name a starting QB, citing the need for competition.

Based on Friday's comments from senior vice president of player development Doug Williams, it's probably fair to say Haskins' primary competition on the pecking order is himself.
"The new staff knows that Dwayne Haskins is the starting quarterback here," Williams told reporters at a community event, per ESPN. "The only thing that can happen is for Dwayne to give it back to them. It's up to him to learn the playbook, wear the coaches out. He's got to stay at the facility until they run him out of the building. ...

"Dwayne has a long way to go. But like I told him, he was doing what we expected him to do. He was ascending. Hopefully the way he goes now, he keeps going up. All eyes are going to be on him. At the same time you've got a new coaching staff and they're not married to him."

Williams and owner Dan Snyder have thus far been the Redskins' only consistent voices since Haskins entered the league. He appeared just once in the five games headed by Jay Gruden in 2019, before eventually winning the starting job under interim coach Bill Callahan. In the past month, Rivera swapped out offensive coordinator Kevin O'Connell for Scott Turner, and quarterbacks coach Tim Rattay for Ken Zampese. Washington has yet to fill its GM vacancy after firing Bruce Allen in December.

The reboot means whatever divide there might have among team brass over selecting Haskins No. 15 overall a year ago matters much less than what he does moving forward.

"Dwayne didn't have the opportunity last year where the coaches put their arms around him," Williams said. "He's got to know we want you to be good. With the new staff coming in, and what he did towards the end of the year, he's going to give this new staff an opportunity to say, 'Hey, we need to work with this kid to get the best out of him.'"

It's the type of support any developing QB needs. Haskins got a whiff of it under Callahan, who committed to starting him for the rest of the season in November. In Haskins' final two games, he completed 72 percent of his passes and threw a combined four touchdowns without an interception.

It was seemingly enough to convince the organization to press on with Haskins despite holding the No. 2 overall pick in the 2020 draft. The Redskins are not believed to be in the market for a QB but instead often linked to Haskins' former teammate, Ohio State defensive end Chase Young.

Washington still has to decide how it will fill out its QB depth chart. Case Keenum and Colt McCoy are pending free agents, while Alex Smith continues to work his way back from a severe leg injury. Haskins said he realizes he must prove himself to his new coaches, regardless.

"I'm going to have to work hard and eventually take it over," Haskins said. "Just do your best to be accountable for what you have to do and be ready to go. [Rivera's] a guy who's going to hold you accountable and make sure you put the work in. I'm all for that. I'm excited."

NFL.com

 

I understand your point, however, you are remembering the contract Haynesworth signed, not what he actually earned. All told in his 10 seasons, Albert only earned $54.956M or $5.5M/year. No where near the $100M contract he signed.

Eli, on the other hand, has made $252.3M over 16 seasons, $15.77M/yr.

I'm not sure you can compare them in this instance.

Top ten are:
Eli Manning $252.3M (16 seasons)
Peyton Manning $248.7M (18 seasons)
Drew Brees $244.7M (19 seasons)
Tom Brady $235.2M (20 seasons)
Aaron Rodgers $233.6M (15 seasons)
Ben Roethlisberger $232.3M (16 seasons)
Matt Ryan $223.5M (12 seasons)
Philip Rivers $218.9M (16 seasons)
Matthew Stafford $203.8M (11 seasons)
Larry Fitzgerald $175.0M (16 seasons)


Out of THIS list, I would say that 4 are sure fire first ballot HOFers in Larry Fitz, Peyton, Drew and Tom... While 5 of the 6 remaining will be in the conversation yearly until they eventually get in. The only one that will not have a chance imho is Matthew Stafford, who may have another 5-8 years to make his case.

Out of the 5,
Eli has 2 Super Bowl MVPs.
Aaron has 1 Super Bowl MVP

The other 3 don't have a SB MVP.. Ben, Philip and Matt Ryan.

They have A LOT OF CRITERIA that surpasses Eli, I am not going solely on SB MVP's or accrued earnings, but that is two differentiators of the next group of players, among other stat based criteria.

The only reason I am mentioning this at all, is that the Giants for 16 seasons paid him as if he was THEIR MVP. So, it is at the very least worth using as a single criteria, imho.

 

Money earned, money signed, money signed, money committed....word it however you want....your contract isn’t criteria for Hall of Fame status.

 

Philip Rivers won’t return to the Chargers, but he hopes not to follow Eli Manning out the door. At least not yet.

The eight-time Pro Bowler and the Chargers announced in a joint statement announcing Rivers, after 16 seasons, will not return to the team in 2020.

Rivers told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times that he wants to continue his career, which is linked with Manning since the two were swapped in a 2004 draft-day trade.

“I do feel I have some emotional fire and passion still left,” Rivers said in a phone conversation with Farmer. “I know I have the passion for the game that I think is going to last my lifetime. And I think I have the ability left to go play at a high level.”

Rivers has moved his family from California to Florida, and two of the three teams in the state — the Buccaneers and Dolphins — have uncertain quarterback situations. Farmer also lists Carolina as a possibility with Cam Newton‘s uncertain future with the team combined with the fact that Rivers played at North Carolina State.

Rivers, 38, is realistic about his future.

“I can say for certain that if I’m playing, it’s a two-year maximum,” Rivers said. “Whoever the suitors are, I think that would be their hope as well. Because you never know how it goes. Shoot, if we stink it up after one year, I’m probably done. If we play really good, they’ll probably want to go again.

“Certainly you want a chance to win a championship, but it’s not just about that. If you told me right now, ‘You’re going to play for two years, and you’re going to be good. But y’all will not win a Super Bowl. Will you still play?’ Heck yeah, I’ll still play.

“So it’s not like it’s a Super Bowl or nothing. But if it’s a team where it’s going to be tough sledding and they’re two years away from even having a chance, and they led the league in most sacks given up or something, then it’s, ‘I don’t think so, guys.’”

For the first time, Rivers enters free agency with an unclear future. He believes he can still play at a high level.

He will have to wait and see what team or teams also feel that way.

NBC

 

Quarterback chaos could be coming...

Chaos is very good for this specific business. And quarterback chaos could be coming, very soon.

The 2020 offseason could consist of unprecedented movement when it comes quarterbacks, with a chain reaction of dominoes driven by where and how quickly the biggest rectangular double-squares land.

The biggest domino continues to be Tom Brady. Even as some of the smaller dominoes begin to fall (Eli Manning retires, Philip Rivers leaves the Chargers), Brady will influence the market more than anyone else, arguably in the history of free agency.

And teams will need to know whether they’re in play for Brady. If not, they’ll need to move on to other options, including the likes of Ryan Tannehill, Marcus Mariota, Case Keenum, Teddy Bridgewater, and/or Jameis Winston.

The franchise tag will keep Dak Prescott off the open market, but if the Cowboys make a run at Brady (and get him), Prescott would be in play, via tag and trade. Other quarterbacks who are under contract for 2020 but who could be in play include Josh Rosen, Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Derek Carr, and Cam Newton.

And don’t forget Taysom Hill. The Saints backup, whom coach Sean Payton has compared to Steve Young, will be a restricted free agent. Payton expects another team to try to sign Hill to an offer sheet.

Then, once the carousel starts to spin, guys who are safe as of now (like Jacoby Brissett or Mitchell Trubisky) could slide into a different category. Within the next three months, the landscape of the league could dramatically change, via a game of musical chairs that could end up with more butts than seats, and it could end up with more seats than butts.

It’s a process that already has begun, and that will play out through the draft and possibly beyond. Especially if specific quarterbacks (Rivers) wait to see whether one or more teams are left high and dry in early May.

With so many tentacles tying players and teams and possible positions together, everyone needs to be ready for chaos. And the teams, players, and agents with the best plan for navigating it will be more likely to emerge in better position than they currently are.

NBC

 

Report: Bengals willing to work with Andy Dalton on trade...

When Bengals director of player personnel Duke Tobin discussed the team’s plans for quarterback Andy Dalton last month, he said the team would not do anything that Dalton is “uncomfortable with” and that they will be in “constant communication” this offseason.

The backdrop for those comments is the expectation that the Bengals are going to use the first overall draft pick on a quarterback this April and it appears one of the things they’ll be discussing with Dalton is the possibility of a trade.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the team is willing to work with Dalton to facilitate a trade to another team “when the time is right.” That approach would give Dalton some say over his next team while also offering the Bengals a chance to gain some compensation in return for the veteran quarterback.

That outcome will rely on another team stepping up to acquire Dalton along with the contract that’s set to pay him a salary of $17.5 million in 2020.

NBC

 

My two cents

In a professional career, there are only so many Super Bowl games you will play in. Except for the lucky few, most players probably only play in one or two.
I've never thought winning, or not winning, a Super Bowl should be given any consideration to Hall of Fame inclusion. Why should one or two games define a career?

What matters over the course of a career is how consistently the individual performs. Football is the ultimate team sport with individual career performances of a few, over a period of time, putting that player above his contemporaries. And the criteria for entry into the Hall of Fame will continue to evolve as the league evolves.

There was a time no one thought anyone would pass Unitas' streak of 47 straight games with a TD pass until Brees took it up to 54. But you could argue that in Unitas's day it was more difficult because the rules didn't favor the passing game the way they do today.

You might potentially be seeing an evolution going on now with running QB's. Mahomes, Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson are starting to make GM's think in another direction. Pretty soon a successful QB in this era may throw 28 TD passes, but run for 900+ a season. That redefines the position and will redefine the way a HOF QB is judged in the future.

Marino didn't win the one Super Bowl game he played. But was that his fault? His career numbers and the standard he set while he played is reason enough.
Same with Jim Kelly. Lost 4 Super Bowls and is 27th in career yards. But isn't just getting to the Super Bowl 4 times worth something?
Terry Bradshaw Threw 2 more TD's than INTS in his career, but went to 4 Super Bowls, winning them all and, to his credit, had some of the best games he ever played. But Jake Plummer and Andy Dalton are still ahead of him (and the Snake) in career yardage.


Super Bowls should have nothing to do with it.

 

NFL Media reported Wednesday morning that Mason Rudolph still was waiting for word on his appeal of a $50,000 fine he received from the fight with Myles Garrett on Nov. 14.

A few hours later, Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports the league upheld the Steelers quarterback’s fine of $50,000.

The appeals process “took a while to work through,” Garafolo added.

The NFL reinstated Garrett on Wednesday.

The league initially handed Garrett an indefinite suspension for swinging Rudolph’s helmet at the quarterback’s head at the end of a Browns’ victory over the Steelers. The Browns defensive end missed the final six games of the season.

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