Comparing Trubisky to Cutler

More specifically....I would like to compare Mitch's 2018 season to what most people believe was Jay Cutler's best statistical season with the Bears...2015 under Adam Gase.

In 2015 Jay completed 311 passes on 483 attempts for 64.4% while throwing 21 touchdowns versus 11 interceptions with a 7.6 YPA. He has a rating of 92.3 and a QBR of 59.9.

This season Trubisky has completed 226 passes on 351 attempts for 64.4% with 21 touchdowns against 12 interceptions and a 7.3 YPA. His rating is 92.1 and his QBR is currently 71.3.


So...pretty similar. How does that make you feel?

For me...number one it highlights the fact that Cutler's actual performance never came close to what his actual ceiling was. The wasted potential is almost vomit inducing

What it leads me to ponder is....what is Trubisky's ceiling and can he achieve it. For me...I think he is playing a few inches off his floor at the moment. The ceiling is high. And I think Mitch can get there....what I've seen from him since he was drafted has me excited and confident he can greatly improve. He obviously works hard and takes this seriously. He is vocal with his teammates and, I think, has coaches that are going to push him. I truly believe over the next 4-8 years at the least we are going to see some really good seasons out of our guy.

 

We already know his ceiling is pretty damn high because we've seen two incredible games from him, even if they were against bad defenses.

What we don't know for sure is 1) how consistent he will be and 2) how mentally tough he is. It is safe to say though, and much as I don't want to use the labels, currently we're at a point in time where there's Good Trubs and Bad Trubs.

Trubs seems to suck when the lights are brightest and pressure highest. He looks scared at times. Mental midget, in a different way from Rex. If he can't overcome that, we may be looking at a pretty rough tenure for him in Chicago.

 

I agree...some of his worst performances have come during prime time games. That's concerning.

The Bears most definitely will be playing a playoff game this year...barring some obscene meltdown and turn of events....so he's gonna have a chance to rebound from that label this year. And based on this seasons results the Bears will almost certainly have some prime time games on the schedule next season...so it's in his best interest to figure that out.

 

Sunday is a huge test for him. It's not prime time, it's not playoffs, but it's a huge game for the team as we've discussed. If he can put it together against the Packers, something a Bears QB probably hasn't done since Rex in the 2006 season opener, my confidence in him will grow. But I do want to see more consistency.

A lot of people have been comparing us to the 1984 team. Others to the 2017 Rams. One team in my mind is the 2012 Seahawks. Young/talented/confident defense, young/talented QB finding their groove as the season went on. They beat some really good teams in the second half of the season. Only difference is their QB stepped up in those games in a way that Trubs has yet to step up in our games. We saw that Russell Wilson was on his way to being a star. Will we be saying the same thing about Trubs when looking back at 2018?

 

I see what you're trying to say I just don't think it's fair to judge a QB under development to one that was fully krausened other than to point out (which you are) Cuntler at his best is no better than the current developing QB which is probably close to his floor.
So let's take it a step farther and compare QB6 with his first two seasons:
21 games 604-378 62% 4498yds 29TD 19int 7.4 YPA Rating 88 and QBR in the 50's.

Aside from that last game he had shown steady improvement this season, and he also doesn't have the school experience QB6 had.
Those balls he sailed last week still concern me though. The fact that he hasn't thrown in a couple weeks quiets that concern somewhat, but nonetheless I won't, and can't discount that concern.

 

I heard some compare the Bears to the Dildo led Ravens

 

I made the comparison because at his best in terms of results....Cutler was a completely average NFL QB.

Some Bears fans have taken the opinion that Mitch is below average....even in our thread on the Rams game there were comments about how if we had an average QB we would have been winning by much more.

I think, even with the bad games he's had, Mitch is at the middle of the road in terms of QB play in this league and I think we will see him continue to improve and rise in that regard.

 

That's both praise and a degrading insult at the same time.

 

I’m not sold enough yet.

He needs to beat the packwads, convincingly, before I’ll change that from hope to belief.

 

I'm with you 3rd, because the fact that I have given QB6 the benefit of doubt too many times and each time it came back to bite me.
That doesn't diminish what I expect from Trubisky, but my expectations of him are guarded.
I'm no where near of calling him a bust, but I'm also no where near heaping praise either.
I want to see consistency.

 

What’s interesting is that these results were brought in from opposite ends of the spectrum. Gase was trying to reign in Cutlers eradic turnover prone gunslinger mentality while Nagy has been trying to release Trubisky’s aggression as a passer.

IMO. The injury came at a horrible time for Trubisky statistcaly at the least. He missed out on playing the same defense he had just shredded 11 days earlier and most likely would have had a much better game against the Giants than Daniels.

One can only hope last week was knocking off the rust and that he will bounce back against the Packers. It’s a huge game for him. A big win and he is the hero of the town. Clinching the Bears return to the playoffs and beating the hated cheese dicks. If he doesn’t play well even in a win the defense will be the only thing anyone talks about and Trubisky will have to wait for the playoffs to redeem himself to the fans.

 

Go wash yourselves.. right now.

Go wash. Fucking heathens.

Jay Cutler?? Really?

Don’t DO THIS!

Are you a bunch of sadists? Seriously!

Enjoy the ride..... new year new team...

 

^This.

This is most exciting bears season in years with numerous other things we could be discussing/dissecting/noticing/focusing on.....like the Bears about to win the goddamn NFC North after they (hopefully) bitch-slap Erin around. Win the NFC North for the first time in the better part of a decade after being a doormat for said better part of a decade.

And you want to to talk about Jay Cutler?

Why? To beat the dead horse again talking about him not being the quarterback Angelo gave up capital for and Emery gave 100+ mil to? To compare him to a developing, 2nd year quarterback in a completely different situation scheme, coaching situation, league landscape, and management-wise than the bears during Cutler's time here?

Love you, Bww, but this meatball topic belongs on chicitysports.

 

This is it, and I think he's trending right.

However, only the meatballs think he's below average or a bust. I am concerned but not annointing nor giving up by any means. The last game though, was WAY below average. He was fiery garbage and we shouldn't sugar coat that. I don't know who said it in the game thread, but I can get behind the idea that if we had average QB play that game we win by a lot more.

I like the steady progress he's been making, particularly the Cardinals game which was another level of beatdown. That's what I want to see him do to the Packers. That's a Super Bowl worthy performance and not the Dilfer style. I want to see more of course, but I'm enjoying the ride without worrying too much.

 

Someone is writing tweets and articles off your work BWW...

 

As I said earlier comparing the two as this juncture is ridiculous unless of course you are implying Mitch is already at QB6 ceiling.
I'm with Bear-man fuck QB6 let's move on and embrace QB10 and this motherfucking defense.

 

If your not going to compare Trubisky to Cutler then who are you going to compare him too? I know Cutler is the ex that broke everyone’s heart but he is also the QB that Trubisky is replacing. As embarrassing as it might be Cutler holds just about every Bears Passing record. Numbers we all hope will be blown away by our young QB. So the comparisons stat wise at least aren’t going anywhere.

IMO it’s a good thing that Trubisky in his first season under Nagy is already putting up numbers that are similar if not better (3 games to go) than Cutlers best season. It’s a fair and logical comparison.

Now when you take the statistics out if it there is no comparison. Trubiskys work ethic and leadership have already proven to be far superior. But if he is going to be who we want him to he will need to separate himself on the field as well.

 

Why the need to compare him to anybody? That’s my whole point.

Just let him be what he’s going to be without dragging him down into the cesspool of former Bears quarterbacks, and reminding us of that pouty-faced asshole #6.

Enjoy the ride and see what happens.

 

Nobody.

Because he's not in the same situation Jay was. He just plays for the same team. Jay was acquired and then ignored, taking an ass beating until Emery gave him weapons and we found out he couldn't play like a good quarterback.

Let Mitch be Mitch. You don't know if he's the franchise QB we've all wanted is at this point or what he's going to be 2-3 years from now. He needs to finish this season and then get a more thorough look into what he is starting year 2 under Matt Nagy before we can dissect more accurately what Mitch Trubisky is. As you already pointed out, Gase was trying to do one thing with Jay trying to reign him in to minimize mistakes while Nagy is trying to do something entirely different with Mitch.

Y'all can go nuts with this, but to me this is as stupid and pointless as Jordan/Lebron debate from idiots like Skip Bayless and Steven A Smith. Comparing 2 different players from different generations (as close in proximity as they are) with different mentalities with different personnel around them in different division landscapes and different rules landscapes with different coaches/management/schemes and in different stages of their careers. Mitch is 24 right now. Jay in 2015 was what, 30? 31? Regardless, he was in the league for almost a decade (drafted in 06 if I recall) for the statline comparison presented right now.

What does our outlook on Mitch look like if say Green Bay's 2011 season where they had talent not in stark decline and went 15-1 and the bears were in 2nd to them right now? Stupid question and a stupid comparison. But one can cherry pick anything they want playing the "what if?" game. That's not factored into the 15 Jay/18 Mitch stat debate from when 2011-2015 Green Bay teams dominated the NFC North.

Bearman is right. Enjoy this. Be objective about it. Appreciate the good. Where Mitch is now, hope the mistakes get corrected and aren't happening year 3-4 in this offense like Jacksonville saw with Blake Bortles and countless teams with young quarterbacks.

 

First and foremost....you can all blow me.

I'm not going nuts with this and I think you guys are overthinking it. I'm not saying Mitch is Jay. He isn't. But like it or not Jay Cutler is arguably the best player the Bears have ever had under center. And he's the last Bears QB to be the starter when this team went to the playoffs. Like or not...he's a measuring stick.

I'm not saying Mitch is Jay. That wasn't the point. My point was Mitch's floor looks to be close to Jay's ceiling, statistically speaking.

Now...Cutler once had a really high ceiling and the sky was the limit. But he never got off the ground. The immediate future of this team is dependent on Mitch taking flight.

And also....fuck you.