Khalil Mack in Navy and Orange...?

https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/Khalil-Mack-Bears-trade-odds-120701733/Amp/

Oh man... that would immediately place the Bears defense in the top 5-10. Enticing.

But they just don’t have the assets to give at this point in the rebuild. Too many pieces still not in place, in my opinion.

It would take two first rounders I’m guessing and if I were Pace I just couldn’t give that up.

What do you guys think?

 

Do it!

 

For 2 first rounders? No. The Bears D was 10th in the league last year even banged all the hell up and piecemeal, the Bears don't 'need' him.

For just a 1st, absolutely, but that would never fly.

A 1st and a ?.... well, that depends on the ? and I'm not sure where in the middle I'd be comfortable

 

I can’t diminish Khalil Mack’s potential and immediate impact. But I want our next two first round picks instead and build our own damn team. I’ve been waiting since 1985 with a hiatus in 2006, so a couple more years, yeah I’m all in for that.

 

Expand please!

 

Someone will overpay dearly, and I think it could be the cheesedicks to the north, desperate to capitalize on Erin’s last few years of football relevance.

 

Ummm be careful what you wish for. While I don’t want to see the Bears give up the farm for Mack, I also do not want to play him twice a year.

 

If it was just a 1st rounder, then no doubt, do it. Two 1st rounders, no chance.

Just assuming for a moment that you could get him for a single 1st rounder, Mack is gonna want to be paid about $20mil a year. Thats a hell of a lot of coin, perhaps too much most of the time. But one time you can probably make that kinda deal work is when your starting QB is still on his rookie contract...

 

I really like Mack. His motor is outstanding and he has some of the best moves at his position. What I don't like is paying 20+ Mil per for a defensive player. If the Raiders could move him at his peak, then the return on investment would shore up many of the other positional problems the Raiders have.

 

I look at this from two angles:

Will the Bears draft a better player than Mack with either of these two supposed first round picks?

Will the Bears be rewarded for paying Mack the supposed $20 mil a year he's desiring (and he'd need a new contract by the end of the year, I believe)?

To the first question: I don't believe Pace drafts a better player than Mack in the next two years with a first round pick. I'd give up both, just because he'd be a talent we wouldn't acquire otherwise. I back this up with not only the excellent talent Mack is in comparison to other first round picks, but Pace's first round history. If this team continues to get better, our draft picks will get lower. Considering the complete lack of talent at OLB beyond Floyd, Mack would also sorely fill a need.

The second question is where I get tripped up. That's potentially a franchise-hamstringing number. If they can structure the deal right, while Trubisky and a bunch of other contributing talents are on rookie deals, I'd be fine with it. Shit, think about how much goes wasted on the likes of Sims, Glennon, or the other plethora of high-paid free agents that do nothing here. I'd rather give $20 million to Mack than a handful of them.

If Pace wasn't the GM, I wouldn't consider this as seriously. But given Pace's track record, and the talent that Mack is, with our relatively low cap commitment to meaningful players... I'd do it right now.

 

dline the way I look at it is that you can't look who is doing the drafting and sure Mack would improve this team overnight no doubt, but you upset the balance of the cap structure when you do something like this. You need to shoot the dice and bring in that 1st round talent under their rookie deals in the hope they pan out and that gives you the ability to pay those guys coming off their rookie deals as well as guys that proved themselves in their one year deals. I don't believe you can stretch the cap far enough and maintain the ability to pay the players you decide you want to move forward with. I don't believe it is a good philosophy over the long haul.

 

Peppers was a huge lift to our D, even when he was past his prime. Yeah, he was a FA, but the Bears paid him a ton and I remember being very worried it would hamstring the Bears for years, and I don’t think it did.

To me, it’s all about the trade compensation... I’d absolutley give up a solo 1st, and maybe as high as a 1st and a 3rd. But, if he does hit the trading block, someone will offer more than that, I’m sure.

Yeah, Pace’s record on 1st rounders is questionable, but he gave our hopes pinned on the O to Mitch and now Roq on D, so... ?

Here’s to not ending up with 2 handfuls of shit

 

I hear what you're saying, and I hesitate to pay a guy that much money as well, but who are the guys we're going to be paying, and when?

Of the rookies over the last few years, who needs extending that hasn't been already? Trubisky is going to have another four years before needing new money, and a couple other key guys fall in that 3-4 year window. Floyd, I think, is the only one sooner than that who might command decent money. Dion Sims is one of our biggest cap hits against the team, at $6 mil. I'd say that Mack would make a much better investment, and while we have a few years' worth of time to exploit with those rookie deals, now is the best time to sign him.

To the point of Pace's terrible FA and / or draft acquisitions, check out the dead money (further down the page) being paid out to players who did absolutely nothing for this team. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/cap/
I'd much rather pay that to Mack. Hell, some of those numbers fall within the top 10 of cap hits against the team right now - for guys who did absolutely nothing for the team. Guys like White are also in that top 10, reminding us again of Pace's shitty decision making.

If Mack is available for, at most, two 1st round picks, and is willing to sign with the team at or below $20 million, I get that done. Simple as that. Do you want to part with that draft capital and that cap space? Of course not. Do you think it's going to go to better use?... I don't.

 

In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say that, if the above terms are amenable, and Chicago doesn't land Mack, it'll be phenomenally disappointing; even more so, obviously, if he goes to Green Bay. If this team is in a position to add a player like Mack without hamstringing the team going forward, it's now.

If it's an actual option, get it done, Pace.

 

If you believe without a doubt two 1sts and probably dropping 100 mil in his extension is worth it, deal it. I'm more on the "do-it" side, but I see some validity in the counter-argument. Is Khalil Mack the difference between the bears making the playoffs or not? A ton of people think not, and the bears haven't exactly shown it either.

The team doesn't have a lot of talent and depth most contenders have, and you are already down your 2nd round pick in 2019 because you had to have Anthony Miller this year so "rebuilding through the draft" plan is probably going to miss a year.

 

I don't think Mack makes this team a serious contender on his own. But, if the idea for rebuilding a team is that your young, drafted talent will continue to get better, and you can take advantage of smaller contracts on those young players, then that should be the Bears' position in the coming 1-3 years. As such, Mack belongs, and the opportunity to get a player like him is very, very rare.

However, if we don't feel that the team will be in the position to contend because of improving draft picks and keen free agent signings, then that's Pace's fault. And he shouldn't, therefore, get the picks and salary cap room to further screw up.

If Pace is doing his job, Mack is going to be a key piece for the team in the coming years, and fits a dire need, while being one of the best in the game.

If Pace isn't doing his job, Mack doesn't help us because this team isn't good enough for him to matter. If that's the case, screw draft picks and salary cap room - I'd rather not give Pace more chances to use them poorly.

Bonus: if the rumors are true that the Packers are the likeliest destination, then us getting him is a two-way swing - we get a top player, they don't. Otherwise...

 

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2...s-joe-banner-ryan-pace-leonard-floyd-nfl-2018

Looking more real?

 

Make it happen, Pace. Get it done.

Interestingly, the Radiers would get less in return the longer this goes on. The Bears (or any team) would like him in here ASAP to get ready for week 1. So "when" is interesting, presuming "if" happens.

 

I cant decide where I stand on this. We do desperately need a guy like Khalil Mack, but, If the price is a 1st + a 2nd or something I dont know I can get behind it. Because not only are you giving up that first, you're probably also immediately spending a shit load of money on a new contract for him.

Half the reason draft picks are so valuable nowadays is for the cost controlled asset. I'd rather overspend on somebody a little less good in free agency and keep the picks in an ideal world.

Of course if the Bears DO land mack I'm not gonna be upset. He could be an enormous difference maker. Tough decision.

 

S heftier reporting Mack to Bears is happening