NFL Draft General Discussion

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by Campbell, Jan 24, 2019.

  1. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    JJ McCarthy is what the Patriots hoped Mac Jones would be but with more measurable athletic talent. The question is is that good enough and will the Patriots think that and take him at 3 instead of Daniels or Maye?
     
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  2. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    The short answer is… no
     
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  3. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    The bigger question is… do the Vikings have a big enough package deal to move up to #3 to get one of the top 3, at which point the Patriots may still end up with him.
     
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  4. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    If the Patriots want JJ, then the Vikings will be just fine with Daniels... Im leaning Daniels over JJ anyways. Maye, no problem either.
     
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  5. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    The more I sift through the possible scenarios at the top of the draft, the more I believe the Bears are going to have a crack at one of, if not two of, the top 3 receivers at pick #9.
     
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  6. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

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    Paris Johnson Jr. says Marvin Harrison Jr. wants to play for the Cardinals


    The Cardinals hold the fourth overall pick in the draft. It’s likely that three quarterbacks will be taken before they’re on the clock. When Arizona is up, could that be where Ohio State receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. goes?

    According to former Buckeye teammate Paris Johnson Jr., that’s where Harrison wants to go.

    The folks at LarryBrownSports.com spotted a recent interview of Johnson, the team’s first-round pick in 2023, in which Johnson explains that he wants Harrison on the Cardinals — and that Harrison wants to play for the Cardinals.

    “I literally went to Marvin and was like, ‘Dude, you know you’re a Cardinal, right?’” Johnson said on the Cardinals Corner podcast. “I knew he was going to be a Cardinal because I saw what happened with [DeAndre Hopkins]. I’m like, the Cardinals are probably going to want another six-four receiver. So I’m like, dude, I have a feeling, you’re probably going to be a Cardinal. He said he wanted to be a Cardinal.”

    The real question is whether the Cardinals have to stay at four to get him, or whether they can trade down and still land the player who might or might not be the first receiver drafted. Chris Simms has Harrison at No. 3. As recently explained, it could be risky for a General Manger to take LSU’s Malik Nabers before Harrison, especially with Harrison not adding a 40-yard dash time to the list of objective pre-draft facts.

    It would be risky for the Cardinals to fall behind the Chargers at No. 5, since they clearly need a receiver after trading Keenan Allen to the Bears and cutting Malik Williams.

    That’s part of the fun of the draft, for those on the outside. It’s part of the agony for those in it. How early is too early to take a player? Can you get him later? What happens if you try to do that and someone else gets him?

    Harrison could make it known to interested teams that he’s not interested in playing for any team other than Arizona. Whether other teams would respect that is a different issue. After all, it’s an honor and a privilege to be told where you’re going to live and work for the next four or five or even six years — even if you prefer to have the freedom to live and work somewhere else.

    PFT
     
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  7. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    And to go with the #1 Williams, thats a good thing for them.

    Is there any way the botch this, lol?
     
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  8. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    The consistent view on Bowers is pick #10. Let's set the over/under at 10.5.

    Let's get some opinions on this - Are you taking the over or the under?

    For the partially impaired, the 'over' would be the higher pick in the round while the under is the player falling.
     
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  9. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    That feels like a pretty easy "under" to me.
     
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  10. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Interestingly enough, the Bears brought in Bowers for a top 30 visit.
     
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  11. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I think they need to be thorough about anyone that they might draft in the first, and / or whoever might be available when they trade down. Given that they have Kmet and Everett, I'd be surprised if they spent a high pick on Bowers. I know that the former isn't an explosive athlete, and the latter is a temporary fix, but spending an early pick on a TE that will be your #3 option feels... excessive. We'll see.

    I think Bowers will go in the first for sure. I don't think that the history of TE's who were drafted early / how low in priority TE's tend to be in the draft is going to help him get drafted in the top 10. I think a more interesting over / under, in my mind, is 15. That said, I'm completely generalizing based on the position itself and simply haven't paid as much attention to all this as the rest of you. Just taking a minute to jump into the thought exercise while my youngest entertains himself pulling all the cards / ID's out of my wallet.
     
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  12. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Man, I miss those days. lol
     
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  13. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    I'll take the under on Bowers also. Too many QB's, WR's CB's, and Tackles going before him. He MAY go at 14 to the Saints, but still 'under' for him.

    Since 2018 only 5 TE's went in RD1... RD 3, 4 and 5 was where the TE's were getting picked... Bowers will be a RD1 pick, just not inside the top 10, Id be shocked if he is.
     
  14. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Just for kicks, here's the 5 mentioned...

    2018 - Hayden Hurst #25
    2019 - T.J. Hockenson #8 / Noah Fant #20
    2020 - zero first round TE's
    2021 - Kyle Pitts #4
    2022 - zero first rounders
    2023 - Dalton Kincaid #25
     
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  15. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Id like to back-peddle on that one... too many mocks out there and they are all like snowflakes, no 2 the same.

    Im guessing Bowers goes between 12 and 16.
     
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  16. nybites M.V.P. Steelers UCONN

    Colts at 15 is a popular pick. I look at almost every new mock that comes out.
     
  17. nybites M.V.P. Steelers UCONN

    Well I just watched Jim Harbaugh claim JJ McCarthy is one of the best QB's in the draft. Well not too much bias there. (eyeroll). Looks like Vikings are going to grab a QB at 4. Would NE go JJ and pass on Maye, dunno. Don't care, as long as more QB's keep going off the board. Mullet Head Crapper from ESPN has Bo Nix going to Denver at 12. Geez I hope so, pushes talent back towards pick 20. Heck I hope someone reaches up for Penix Jr. too! But I doubt all GM's are smoking Velvet Kush, one can dream.
     
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  18. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    There sure is a lot of speculative things popping out of what seems like nowhere. Earlier i read a report that the Commanders are considering JJ at #2 instead of Daniels... no sources were mentioned of course, but reported by the PFT gang.

    If thats the case, The Vikings may go Daniels, but if the Commanders report has any validity, then they could trade down to the Vikings if the Vikings are dead-set on JJ was a scenario discussed, so I was left shaking my head on that one, because if the Commanders traded down, wouldnt they lose out on JJ and Daniels... this stuff makes no sense to me at times.

    As I stated somewhere earlier, I'll pop the corn and watch it all unfold... still a month out, still time for more fun/interesting/exaggerated stuff to be created. Dont get me wrong, I enjoy this, but some of the possible scenarios just dont register with me.
     
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  19. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    If you are eyeing a particular QB at #2 and are certain to get that QB, you better damn well stay and take him. If YOU want them, it's a higher probability that someone else wants him as well.

    So, yes Willie, I agree 100% with you, this will not happen...Only way it would happen is if Washington really isn't sold on any of the QBs.. Then they might take a haul from the Vikings, in the hopes they can still get one of those guys and still get some extra draft capital in the process. That could ease the risk of taking a QB that you aren't necessarily sold on.

    This is where the funny season really gets started. You will hear some rumors coming out of the combine week... some of that stuff is actually accurate since the press has so much access to so many staff members. But between now and about 2 days before the draft, I can't put much weight on any report. NOW, if a report comes out that the Bears have essentially come to terms with Williams, I'd buy that... otherwise, I won't believe a word until we are knocking at the door of the draft.

    Still fun to read...
     
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  20. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    It's not a 1st round thing more than it's a 1-2 Round thing. So many TEs taken in the first 2 rounds make an impact. You can go back to at least when Travis Kelce was drafted (1st pick in the 3rd though).
     
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