Best case scenario is the Bears taking one of the two QBs, the Redskins (Yes I said it) taking the other and the Patriots seeing Fields as the best case scenario upgrade for Mac. Trade #3 overall for Fields and you have MHJ AND another pick at #9. That's a lot of talent infusion from one draft... Then get on your knees and pray they end up better than Fields. Personally, I am still on the Fields bandwagon, but I could see where they might be ready to move on.
I like him a lot and I think he has a ton of potential. But I also can't fault Poles if he chooses to move on.
For once, I'm agreeing with Gid, If I'm the Bears GM, there is no way I am getting out of the draft without MHJ. If they covet a different QB, use your capital to move up and still get the WR. I know everyone is talking about pairing a receiver with DJ, but this kid could be better, Hell he could be better than anyone else in the league in a couple of years. Putting that kind of talent on the same field could make or break any QB at any level. It will open up holes in the running game. It will make it easier to pass block because you can't afford to take your extra defender and blitz them. Think Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, with Marshall Faulk. Do they have Faulk on the roster? Probably not, but there are some really good backs in this draft also that can be had later on. Draft QB and WR, then trade back to a team that sees a name drop to 9 that shouldn't have if he isn't something the Bears need. You can afford to drop back several times if you really want, picking up 1st and/or 2nd rounders in the process to possibly get the RB of your choice in the 2nd round. Jonathan Brooks is a Faulk type player that can run and catch to give you multiple options. Now, he's coming off a major injury, so if you are comfortable with him healthwise, you could get the triple threat in one draft... and possibly still get another piece in the first round from your trade down. If 3-4 QBs go in the top ten, then there are going to be players dropping to 9 that shouldn't and someone is going to want to come up to get them. Take advantage in the right spots and you can change your roster with this draft. That #1 overall pick gives you a lot of power in this draft. If you take a QB, then Fields should give you a hefty bargaining chip. Hell, he might be worth the Patriots first and second round pick, if not for his contract. He has two years left on his rookie deal and his 5th year option, so it shouldn't hinder anyone too much. Let me say this... If they can't get the #3 pick for Fields, their best option in this draft is keeping Fields, trading down to get #3, #34 and getting a future 2nd. I am that adamant about Marvin Harrison Jr being the best player in this draft... I am also not as high on the QB class as some others are... I think there are a clear #1 and #2 choice and a dropoff after them, but I am not convinced they will be on the level of a Patrick Mahomes or his equivalent counterparts. If you aren't convinced they could be THAT, then MHJ is the player you need to get out of this draft. He would elevate your team more than any other player. The only down side is DJ could get an attitude if he isn't perceived as the #1 option.
Agee Bears will Move back with NE because they want to jump Washington. Sitting at 3, 9 gives you a WR and an OT, plus whatever else NE offers
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What's your value on Fields? I know the general consensus is a 2nd rounder, but at the end of the day he was picked #11 overall, but in my opinion he has outperformed the majority of Top ten picks in the last 10 years: Outperformed with a simple Yes or No 2023 - obviously a little early to judge, but Bryce Young #1 Yes CJ Stroud #2 No Anthony Richardson #4 Yes 2022 0 QBs in the top 10 2021 Trevor Lawrence #1 No Zach Wilson #2 Yes Trey Lance #3 Yes Justin Fields #11 2020 Joe Burrow #1 No Tua Tagovailoa #5 No Justin Herbert #6 No 2019 Kyler Murray #1 Yes Daniel Jones #6 Yes 2018 Baker Mayfield #1 No Sam Darnold #3 Push Josh Allen #7 No Josh Rosen #10 Yes 2017 Mitchell Trubisky #2 Yes Patrick Mahomes #10 No 2016 Jared Goff #1 No Carson Wentz #2 Yes 2015 Jameis Winston #1 push Marcus Mariota #2 Yes 2014 Blake Bortles #3 Yes So in his 3 years, he has outperformed 11 QBs, under-performed 8 QBs and pushed 2 QBs... Are you telling me that isn't worth a #3 overall pick when the only 2 QBs in this draft that have a decent chance of outperforming him are already off the board? This is a good talking point, especially being a Pats fan.. Who would you prefer succeed Mac Jones, if not Justin Fields... Would it be Justin Fields if you don't have to give up the #3 overall pick in this years draft?
@IrishDawg42 How are you coming up with your ‘yes’ and ‘no’s? Just curious, because Kyler Murray jumps out to me as a head scratcher.
well it’s an upgrade over Zappe and Jones which maybe you can trade for a case of Ramen Noodles. USC’s offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury is interviewing with the Bears. He’s been coaching Caleb Williams . Do the math
I’ll take the case of ramen. The list of QB’s that are an upgrade over those two is long AF. Doesn’t make most of them worth the #3 pick.
As a Pats fan, I’d rather draft Marv at 3 ourselves and figure out QB some other way. By a million miles. The biggest problem with trading for Fields isn’t his ability or his performance relative to other recent QB picks, it’s that there’s already three years burned up on his rookie deal and even the team that knows him best apparently thinks it’s better to hit the reset button. So why am I giving up a premium asset to be forced into making a decision on his 5th year option based on an OTA or two? At least with a rookie I have a clean slate both contractually and football-wise. Personally, given where the Pats are drafting I wouldn’t give more than our 4th for him. And I would rank that option lower than signing Jameis as a FA on my list of preferred Mac Jones succession options.
Each one is based on different reasoning. Kyler Murray has digressed 3 years straight due to injury related availability issues, not what you want in a starter you are investing so heavily in.
Jones is the hardest one to justify going in either direction. Stats wise, Jones is actually not bad on paper, but he has failed to elevate the Giants team in any way. He fails as the leader of the team. I don’t see anything that makes his teammates want to follow him. As for Darnold, he started out one of the biggest shit shows in memory, but has shown more recently he can step in and elevate an offense. Elevation is a key factor for me and Fields elevates the Bears offense regularly.
Have you seen the type of QB that has gone there in draft history. If a guy isn’t taken #1 or #2, you are taking a huge risk on success. In this draft, you will most likely be getting the 3rd choice of QB. The Bears are in a very unique situation. They have a starting caliber, possibly franchise QB in house, but also have an opportunity of upgrading him anyway. Do you not consider the upgrade while it’s staring you in the face? Of course you consider it, but I believe the evaluators are pulling them hair out right now with comparisons to what Fields can be vs these two top tier prospects. They are evaluating college skills vs pro skills. If they decide the upside to one of these two outweigh the upside of Fields, who has shown the ability to lead a team in real nfl situations, take advantage of their dilemma and get the proven guy with a shot ton of upside on his own. If you don’t, someone else will and you could be kicking yourself as early as 2024 season. This changing of the guard is going to replace the QB… it is inevitable. If my choices are Fields, Penix Jr, Jayden Daniel’s, McCarthy or Nix, Fields is a very clear choice for me. Although I have already stated, I wouldn’t move on from him over the top two guys either. You could buck the system, take Marvin Harrison Jr at #3, wait for the other teams to get the top 4 by their perspective picks and move up from the second round pick to get the left over…. He “might” end up better than Mac Jones…
This is the short answer for my evaluation of Fields.. I don’t see a second round prospect even close to the potential of Justin Fields.. there is no way in hell I am giving up that player to downgrade my roster. It’s that simple… if I am in the Bears shoes and I feel strongly that one of these two guys have a high potential of being better than Fields, I take that player, but I keep Fields. A second round pick isn’t worth giving up a potential franchise QB. I’ve seen enough in two years to see the potential of what he can become. That ceiling is way too high to give away that talent. He has two more years under reasonable money. If the other guy comes into camp and blows him away in the QB room and into training camp.. I know for a fact there will be a team willing to give up a similar 2nd round pick in 2025 to get him on their roster. I know a 2025 2nd rounder is worth less than a 2024 2nd rounder, but that is a risk I would personally take.
In you original post, you said ‘outperformed’. Here, you are saying each had different reasoning. It makes more sense when you frame it as the latter (your personal opinion).
Sorry, I always intended it to be an opinion. When I post based on anything other than that, I list the factors in the evaluations within the post. Pretty rare that I don't bore readers to death with a much too long post filled with numbers and specific points when having a head to head evaluation. It wasn't my intent, sorry for misleading.
I get it. If I were a GM, I would be wanting to get my hands on Harrison too.... I can see him getting lost in the shuffle if he has Mac throwing to him, but I could be wrong on that also. Sorry, we are going to disagree on this one. If they hadn't had the #1 pick fall to their laps via Carolina, none of us would be having the discussion of a "reset" as you call it. They have an opportunity to improve their roster. If they see one of these QBs as being the guy that can improve on Fields, then I certainly wouldn't fault them for that. But to say it simply that they would be looking to move on from him is simplistic at best. Obviously you would have to be willing to make the decision of his option based on tape and not what you will see in an OTA. You have the film against professional teams to make that determination. Do you think that if the Bears pass on a QB at the #1 overall pick, they won't exercise his 5th year option? I sure as hell don't. Would you improve the postion over Mac by signing Kirk Cousins? You've already stated you would sign Jameis to improve the position. Neither of which have ANY years left on a contract. If you are telling me you feel these players are much better in ability than Fields, then I would agree to go that route. If you are telling me you wouldn't do it because of giving up a draft pick, then we have a whole other discussion to go into. Let me ask you this, if you had the #1 overall pick would you prefer one of the two top QBs or Marvin Harrison Jr? Again, I am seeing "options" of a draft pick as the deciding factor here and not the ability to upgrade the QB position in the best way possible. We just have a simple disagreement in methods I think.
