WDF Discussion Thread

If you cut him, he is no longer on your roster and you are no longer paying for his services. You get stuck with the penalty but you are not carrying that contract any longer.

 

Like say Nacua last year for Tim??
Not exactly. If you sign him to say $8,000 for the season, and cut him in week 15, the 18% of his "1st year" of a contract would be applied as dead money to your total NEXT season.

So you kind of could do that. But there will be a financial penalty the following season

 

Okay this is a big one. All the cap we didn't use last season... is it just gone? I and a bunch of teams didn't spend in hopes of not wasting that money so we can roll it over to future seasons, even if $50M is the max.

 

This is a good question. I kinda thought there was something to this as well. It's why I asked about rollover.

 

But if Cap does carry over you could save $ on an expiring contract, get refunded and just pay a small percentage penalty next year.

 

Correct, and if you do like I did with Nacua it should be with the intention of signing him long term.

If not, you just hamstrung yourself for the rest of the season for a player that is not in your long-term plans.

People might not have noticed, but I finished the season with $1 left for free agency.



One dollar...

 

This is why the extensions you have every season are useful for more than one reason, and depending on how you utilize them (or don't) you can put yourself in position for cap relief.

Looking at my roster and how I used my initial contract lengths - Tannehill was put on a one year and Levis on a two in the anticipation of the possibility that Levis would take over and Ryan could walk this offseason providing me with a nice chunk of cash to put back on the books.

 

One more question in regards to this Tim.

So no secret, I took the gamble on Skyy Moore thinking he might be the guy, and he just ain't. So I've had him on taxi long enough to meet the cap relief exemption. It's off-season now. But hypothetically, and as a great example, how long would I have to wait now to benefit from the same thing when cutting him?

 

Wait, His $8M is still on the books right now and comes off when you don't resign him?

 

That part seemed obvious. Sorry, but that's just like real life. When the contract expires, it's gone.

 

The rollover that you had prior to the $50mil commit to free agency has already been factored in.

The additional from the unused free agency money will not be totaled in until the official league open.

There will be some kind of cap or forced spending floor (or bottom available cap) that will be calculated as well as a limit to available cash, but I am still working on how I want to set that up. It needs to be based on a formula that can be repeated yearly.

There is going to be some form of hard ceiling for where owners can have cash over the cap based on previous money retained, but it will not be limitless.

 

Not what I mean. Something seems off here.

 

Oooooo, she's getting complicated.

 

Yeah, it's pretty much an accounting thing for ease of decision making.

If an owner wants to extend players they will already have a general idea of what their cap looks like because they are still showing their entire roster on the books.

 

It's pretty straightforward.

 

Not really.

If you have an owner that refuses to make any moves in free agency for a season, clears his books of anything but bottom dollar players and rolls like that for more than a season, he could realistically roll over enough cash to double the actual cap.

The average rollover for the NFL is somewhere under $12mil a team, so having a situation where we have multiple owners with massive war chests going into the offseason is something that we need to avoid, and considering you are already forced into utilizing $50mil (or under if you start with less) for each in-season free agency the idea of having double that sitting on the books not being utilized makes no sense in creating a competitive atmosphere.

 

There is a loophole here.
$50M Rollover. Let's say $10M cap room remaining. Tannehill $8.5M expiring (and no one else expiring to keep it simple)
New year before raises the funds total is $60M - $8.5M accounted for Tannehill, which goes back to $60M if Tannehill isn't resigned? Is that correct so far?

 

This offseason is going to provide data that can be used to better estimate/calculate what types of floors/ceilings we will need to keep people using cash and creating a competitive marketplace.

 

Can you please answer that for me please. I have a reason.

 

There is no loophole.

When he comes off the books, he comes off the books. It's the same as if he is cut in the regular season, only there is no risk of penalty because his contract is expired.