Las Vegas Raiders vs Chicago Bears Game Thread

Don't get me wrong, i'm desperate enough to take any kind of W with this team, but that was a very flattering win on sunday. The Raiders are a bad team, horribly coached and their QB of the day was atrocious. My personal takeaways from this game are very limited.

- The big one for me was the running game, it was very very good. They had success with all kinds of runs but in particular attacking the edge on both wings and, in particular again, the right side imo. Tevin Jenkins is a beast-man. It seemed like every time i saw him at the whistle he was trying to finish a block or pile drive someone. Him next to Wright unlocks a dominant side for potentially years to come.

It really makes me question Poles again tho TBH. Jenkins wasn't just the best OL on the team last season, he graded out as a top16 G in the league as memory serves me. So of course Poles signs a FA who will only play RG and moves his best player. And Davis has NOT justified that at all. He's a straight up inferior player to Jenkins. But having found a great right side combo just watch them move Jenkins back to LG the first chance they get.

Longer term Jenkins may create quite the problem for the Bears when you think about it. Just watching his on field play this is a guy who i say is a no brainer contract extension, problem is he's missed a LOT of time. Paying guys like that is always risky. Now, this isn't a decision the Bears HAVE to make this offseason, he's under contract next year. Its wise to see if he can stay on the field the rest of this season. But if not for the injury concern this is a guy i'd be extending this offseason and using the remaining year to help smooth out the cap hits. If he plays out the season the way he's going there'll be pro bowl talk.


- Coming into this game Jaylon Johnson had an entire 1 career pick to his name. Thats in almost 3.5seasons! Excuse me if i dont get giddy at him picking off a dogshit QB twice, especially after he dodged the opponents best receiver all game. But of course, wasnt JJ in front of every mic he could find after the game saying pay me! I liked this guy his rookie year, and then i swear to F he came up with that sword sheath move after PD's which DBs everywhere started copying and he thought that made him the dog's bollocks. Well a good strut does not make you a top player in this league my friend, making actual fucking plays does and this guy doesnt make enough of them.

I may have hated the Stevenson draft pick but im over here pulling for the kid to get better so they can drop JJ when he wants top3-5 CB in the league money. Its coming, wait and see.

- Tyler Scott is growing. One more reason for Darnell Mooney to worry.

- Thru 7 games Yannick Ngakoue has 2 sacks. It isnt working out.

- Cole Kmet is praying Fields comes back very soon!

 

Honestly, a coaching staff worth a damn would've been adjusting to that at halftime. I kept waiting for Raiders DBs to start jumping all over routes and it never came. But we know the league will be onto this very soon. If DCs can scheme away Fields rushing yardages like they have this season they sure as shit can catch onto Bagent's game. At some point he's gonna have to throw it deeper.

I've seen this being said online. Sorry, but no. Like really no. I get it, people want a quick comparison with minimal thought but other than below average arm strength those two have nothing in common. Kyle Orton was fucking horrible his rookie year, completely lost. Please go back and look up his numbers, they're putrid. He had no accuracy, no command of the offense pre or post snap, and no mobility. As well as having Orton covered for all those things Bagent also has a defense that is ass! Orton had a championship calibre defense and that is where his win-loss record comes from. Its obvs minimal data, but still, Bagent deserves a hell of a lot better than this kind of comparison.

Side note: I listened to Hamp & OB on my drive to work monday morning. Its the only post game pod i know of thats up that early, and tbh i usually listen for the cathartic rants after another shitpile loss. This time i listened after a win and i swear, never again. These two clowns were actually crowning Bagent and saying this is it, we've found the future of the team i never want to see Fields again, Bagent is way better he's an actual QB. They were even bigging up his numbers!!! Hold on, Fields in his win threw for 300 & 4, Bagent threw for like 170 & 1.... and Bagent had the better numbers??!

You unbelieve fucking meatballs! Hamp wasn't going as far tbh, but OB was all in! What a total fucking moron, how do people like that get paid to talk Bears?

Bagent did a great job for what he is, but holy hell.

 

Guys check this out, holy shit!! I knew Wright was a doubt leading up to the game, but i didnt know it was this bad. The guy suited up and played a full game with 1 ARM!! Way to tough it out #58, MASSIVE RESPECT.





I hope this got Wright a game ball/shoutout in front of the team in the lockers after the game and that bums like Nate Davis & Eddie Jackson are embarrassed by this.

 

Two things can be true at the same time. Kyle Orton had a good game in 2005, very similar to this (see: week 2 win against a bad team, this time Detroit, near identical stats that they leaned heavily on Thomas Jones rushing for 2 TDs, a simple throw to Moose Muhammad for a TD, no INT, and a pick 6 by Mike Brown for a big win), and he was also fucking horrible his rookie year statistically and arm-strength wise.

The absence of bad doesn't mean Bagent was good. Every fucking meatball needs to hear this.

But I also want Sunday in prime time against San Diego to get here sooner, because a complete ass beating needs to happen to bring meatballs back to reality. I think Brandon Staley--for as dumb as he's been this year and how he's probably a dead man walking as a HC (he'd make a hell of a DC should that happen)--is going to confuse the shit out of this kid, and do a hell of a lot better pressure wise with Bosa and Mack as opposed to Max Crosby and a top 10 draft pick rookie without bringing a blitz, which Staley is known for. Every year as a HC, the Chargers are a top 10 blitzing team in the NFL, and this year is following suit.

The guy's constantly doubled, which has led to some 1 on 1s for Demarcus Walker--which he's been better at recently. Week 2 he missed out on 2-3 sacks because Baker Mayfield was slippery at the right time. And so far--he's been better against the run that expectations. Whether or not he's giving effort come the last 1/3 of the year remains to be seen.

The present chatter all over reddit, CCS, and twitter is to trade for one of Montez Sweat or Chase Young from DC.

No. Both are FA after this year, and while Sweat is more consistent/can stay on the field more than Young--I would think Chase Claypool would be a recent lesson learned that you don't buy high on potential. Furthermore, the bears aren't a Montez Sweat or a Chase Young away from anything this year. They're probably still in the cellar, probably lose a high pick to get one, and then have to pay up big bucks, as Sweat is on his 5th year option this year and Young his 4th year with his 5th year option being declined. And Sweat statistically (gets on pace of 7-9 sacks, his one down year in 2021 with 5 being an outlier because he was injured/missed 6 games--the only time he's missed games) would be a guy you'd think a team would have no problem saying something to the effect of: this is a guy we need to keep. He just turned 27 and already has 5.5 sacks on the year, almost 1 a game.

That he's on the trade block is a red flag for me. Why does a team want to get rid of that? Especially a team that walks into the offseason with 78 mil in cap space (per Spotrac)?

It would be quintessential bears to trade for one then fire Flus then move back to a 3-4. Regardless, draft one early. No, a generational talent at edge isn't appearing to be for next year, but that doesn't mean you can't find talent.

 

Ugh, so we are basically back to the Orton/Grossman days where the fanbase is riled up (and split up) for their favorite flavored incomplete QB. Fuck man, I swear being a Bears fan is some kind of fucked up purgatory. I see we are SNF this upcoming weekend so I should definitely be able to watch Bagent live at least.

 

Hamp and OB are not in my list, I dropped the under center, picked up Mully and Haugh, and still listen to Hoge and Jahns (best of the bunch) and Waddle and Silvy.

But aside from Hoge and Jahns, it's all crowning Bagent nonsense. I have missed the last two games so I am going entirely on what you guys have said here and podcasts. But what I've heard aligns a lot with Pat, that Bagent has the short game covered, processes quickly, but has trouble with the very few deep balls he's had. I think it was Hoge and Jahns that also said that it's possible Bagent is just a better fit for what Getsy can scheme. Which is its own indictment of Getsy that he needs a D2 undrafted QB over an 11th overall pick to run his scheme, but it is what it is.

I'm looking forward to Sunday anyway, something to watch. If the kid does want to go to Sunday morning hockey I should be awake by SNF anyway, heh.

 

Wellll, yeeaahh, but you've had to do some pretty serious cherry picking to get to this pat. In fact you've cherry picked Orton's best game of the entire season by passer rating. Thats a little more than "Orton on a good day", thats literally his best day. And Bagent has already matched that statistically in his first career start playing on a really bad team as opposed to a team that was a year away from playing in a SB lol. And its not just the stats, like i said, Bagent had command of the offense. He was getting guys lined up right pre snap, when the pressure came he knew where his outlets were and got them the ball. He was doing things, and was asked to do things, that the '05 Bears never asked of Orton. They were just trying to keep him from losing the game.

Hey maybe Bagent will drop a half dozen sub50 passer ratings in the near future like pre-neckbeard neckbeard did. Or a cultured 14.7 in his very next game(actually happened). Until then.....

Its ok to give a guy credit when its due. For some reason that escapes me you've been down on Bagent from the get go and it hasnt made a lot of sense. Relax, one way or another it'll be a 1sr rounder QB'ing this team next season. In the meantime an under contract QB that develops does this team no harm.

I've seen him playing plenty of snaps when he isnt doubled and not much has happened. As a pass rusher he's been unimpressive imo. I feel the same re the run D tho, he's been better than i expected. Yes we'll see if he or anyone of em are still giving Eberflush full effort when they get into the embers of the season.