Minnesota Vikings vs Chicago Bears Game Thread

Did the ball slip out his hand?

 

That was just a terrible throw

 

Pretty sure it was just a shitty throw. Too bad because DJ had his man beat for the TD.

 

Yeah there was some pressure in his face and the tried to flat foot it. V bad decision.

 

We're gonna go winless in the division again.

 

Probably winless the rest of the season

 

How do the Bears find such inept coaches? Are they tanking on purpose?

 

Before the start of the season, I said "3 wins". I'm sure they'll bumblefuck their way into one more. Two? I'm starting to doubt it. #1 and #2 picks, here we come.

 

They could go winless from here, but hell they could also win next week against the Raiders, who stink, and there's literally no telling what Offensive game plan Getsy will come out with. I don't expect he'll know himself until at least friday night.

 

I was too busy to catch the game today, I saw the 2 minute warning at the end of the first (starting with Justin's pick) and then most of the 3rd quarter, so I got to see Fields injured, Bagent with the fumble-six. Relying on game recaps and this thread to catch me up.

The one thing that did cheese me off during the little I saw, was when Whitehair snaps the ball at the feet of Bagent, and then the announcer starts saying, "well Bagent may have stepped back a bit". Motherfucker that ball never got more than 2 inches off the ground. Whitehair's snaps have been garbage forever. And for some reason, KNOWING his snaps are garbage, we run a shit ton of shotgun.

The stats don't look good for Justin in this game, but I didn't see most of it like I said, just the pick and injury. Assume for a minute it was the rest of the year he's out. You have to move on right, can he be traded on the last two games of someone thinking he's figured it out? Or was Justin bad this morning and his value is tanked. Seems like in the thread the Oline was *bad* and that was certainly true for Bagent when he was out there, oof. Early reports said the MRI was negative though, so maybe he will come back.

Butkus can't die every week.

 

Yeah, how Poles decided that Whitehair was the answer at C, I have no idea. Tells me he didn't really watch film of the guy there. Should have been your fallback plan, not your primary solution coming into the off-season.

But I can bitch about that forever. The record is Poles' job review.

 

Regardless, a QB is of need. I don't know what Justin's going to do the rest of the year but he’s still under contract next year, so at minimum--you need a back up because Bagent isn't it and even his ‘good ply’ today was unimpressive. And if fields is out for any period of time, let’s already temper expectations should Peter Pan ever see playing time.

No one prospect is ever going to be truly flawless. Even before the ND game, Williams had knocks, but the only thing that matters is what’s better that fits what you’re trying to do? If Justin Fields isn’t the player profile you want for Getsy’s Rodgerless version of GB’s offense—it’d make zero sense to draft a guy of similar profile.

This is the bears though. A team proud to be football stupid.

 

Is there really any chance Getsy stays past this year though? Whatever Coach we get (either offensive or for the whole team) should have input on the offensive scheme they want to run, and thus the best QB fit.

This being the Bears though, I could completely see them bringing in someone who wants Maye for his system, and then they draft Williams anyway. Because this is the Bears. Synergy is a buzzword they don't understand.

 

Assuming that, you have to. But he's a tough guy, id be shocked if he's out long let alone the whole season.

Try another assumption for a minute that he's back next week, do you try to trade him before the deadline if he lights it up again in 1 of his next 2 games? At this point nobody knows what the Bears will do on Offense from week to week, Getsy least of all. If you're gonna wind up getting off Fields then you have to do it when you can extract maximum trade value, im not sure letting him play potentially another 12games is the way to do that. There will inevitably be a lot of bad games in that 12, at this point its unavoidable, there just isnt the support from the O-Line or the OC for any QB to be consistent this season imo.

If you want a buyer to pay a good price then you have to leave them thinking about the good things, not the bad things. If he puts up a highlight reel before Oct 31st you can achieve that. The Falcons for example are in a bad division and totally have a shot at a div title this season, they are also surely after a QB next season. If you call them and say he's going on the block this offseason its going to happen and there will be a lot of interest in a QB starved league, but we're giving you the chance to close the deal now for a 2nd rounder, do you do it?

 

I actually don't rule out that Bagent could be our backup next year. If Fields is gonna be out for some time, Bagent will have the opportunity to win that role. He processes things faster than Fields. But he has a weaker arm and basically everything else physically he is worse compared to Fields. But he'll likely get a few games to show something.

 

I agree he's probably back sooner than later, I was just thinking of what he's shown this year, and it might be the high time to sell if he were out. More I was just thinking he really hasn't shown enough to me that we wouldn't take a QB in the upcoming draft. Again seems like he probably won't be out long, if at all.

If he's coming back though, I don't think they would move on mid-season, especially if he does well in any more games. If they did move on, at that point, they are committing to the tank for the second year in a row, even if that's what the result is probably going to be anyway. If you're asking ME if we could get a 2nd for him right now, would I take it? Yeah, I think so. This staff has always been lukewarm on him anyway, I don't really need to see anymore of him with Getsy, and Getsy's not leaving midseason. Poles and the coaches have screwed the pooch on this season it is beyond clear. Whether he was ruined or he just doesn't have it, it's clear it's not happening on the Bears. The best we get if we keep him is mediocre and then you have to end up giving him Daniel Jones money? No thanks.

A second rounder would hopefully get us another swing on the oline or dline, and that's where we need the most help. As pat points out, with Carolina's pick, we don't even have to get Williams.

 

Whether Getsy is here next year or not is immaterial. You don't have an ace back up. Bagent isn't Nick Foles for Philly, and Peter Pan is not an answer either. Both were better than PJ Walker, who sucked yesterday for Cleveland--.

Poles likely has other ideas, but I'm drafting a QB next year. Does it need to be #1 overall? No. 1st round? Debatable.

I'm not giving him a chance. Again, a couple of nice short passes with a franchise with incredible history of garbage at the QB position want you to give almost every guy a chance. I've seen this song and dance before. Teams are going to take away the short/quick stuff and he's going to be as effective as a sad, dry handjob.

You win games by attacking secondaries in the modern era passing game of football, or you just roll over into another checkdown charlie middling team whose ceiling is good enough to get bitch slapped out of the first round of the playoffs by teams with real offenses. The floor is mediocrity. Why I root for a team who prefers the latter I now question further.

 

I don't disagree with any of this, except Getsy. Williams could be the pick if we pick a QB that marries with that offensive style. I know you said Fields and Williams are similar, but you still go with Williams because of the rookie contract, and he hasn't been destroyed by several offensive shit schemes. Or you do with Maye if the OC has big plans and he fits them. If we don't keep Fields, I'm curious who you're bringing in after the first round to potentially start.

If we keep Fields, yeah, a back up would be a good idea, assuming we see all we need to of Bagent (sounds like you already have, heh), and that could certainly be anywhere in the draft, but if we have the #1 and we aren't taking Williams, we'd be stupid not to trade it for a king's ransom. When we traded the past year, people weren't even sure if it was going to be Young or Stroud.

 

This is where I'm going to say hold on a minute, and I've probably seen more ineffective Bears QBs way back to Kent Nix, Bobby Douglass, and Gary Huff. How does a kid go undrafted, and yet somehow make it as the #2 on this team? Yes aside from the fact that this is, the Bears.
As blang pointed out he seems to be processing things on the field faster, but to get this far so fast he's had to process and absorb an incredible amount of the system in a short amount of time. On that last int he made the right read as DJ was open down the sideline, but it appeared his arm was affected during that throw. I've seen enough of Fields to know he leaves too much on the plate on any given play. Fields may have all the physical tools to be a franchise QB, but his mental capacity falls woefully short. I didn't get all meatballed at his performance last week, because I've seen the same thing from Trubisky where he put up 38 in the first half against the Bucs. Is Bagent a franchise QB? no, only because he doesn't have the physical tools to be considered one, but I think he may possess the mental tools that many QBs like Fields and previous bumblefuck Bears QBs from the past lack, and Bagent could be an effective game manager in the likes of Kyle Orton, and a welcome addition as a solid backup. I think this kid is a baller, and I want to see more of him before I pull the plug, and yes the Bears still need to draft a QB.

 

I'm literally talking about him as a potential backup for next year, and yes, he does deserve a chance to win that role. I agree he probably won't cut it but you have only something to gain if his ceiling is backup/game manager level. I realize we are all traumatized by bad QB play but to not even give a guy a chance to win a role as a backup is pretty extreme.