Last season I gave both coordinators a pass. First year with inferior talent on the roster due to a rebuild. But I'm over both Williams and Getsy 1 game into the season. You don't blitz a young QB making his first real start? No complex coverages? You don't even sugar the gaps or show Love anything to make him think? No, just rush 4 all day and sit back and leave guys open. Cool. Getsy man. Fucking smoke screens. Dumb TE sneak. Just all around terrible gameplaning. You give up the #1 pick for DJ Moore then target him twice. That's genius. You had months to formulate this game plan. And this is what you come up with. Remember when Eddie Jackson was good? Those days were fun. I was expecting a good season from Kyler Gordon. And now he's got a hand injury. Braxton Jones was god damn awful. But at least you could tell he tried thanks to the penalties. What the hell was Nate Davis doing all day? And speaking of zombies....fucking bench Chase Claypool. Literally didn't even try to do anything. Fields was by no means great. But up until the INT he was playing a decent game. He's gotta be allowed to throw the ball down the field. That's the only chance you have at producing offense. A couple weeks ago the Bucs game looked like a win to me. The Bucs sacked Cousins twice yesterday and had 6 TFL. And Mayfield didn't play bad. 0-2 incoming. Seriously, fuck this team.
This more than anything epitomizes the failure of Poles this past offseason. Anyway, fire everyone. I don't have anything else to add.
Changed my mind, I do have something to add. It's year 3 and I think Fields is still too gunshy about throwing the ball downfield. He can't be blamed for the screens, but he can be blamed for the constant checkdowns. He got way too used to throwing to wide open WRs at OSU and in 3 years has not gained the confidence or ability to anticipate where the ball should go. Part of that in the past was due to shitty WRs but that excuse is no longer valid. I have a feeling the All-22s are going to reveal how bad he was yesterday. Fields is not the biggest problem on this team, far from it. But he's doing nothing to inspire confidence he's a good NFL passer.
There are 3 types of QBs. 1 that makes your team better, 1 that makes them worse, and 1 that doesn't move the needle in either direction. Fields has too often been the 3rd one and has only rarely been the first one. He has to do better. That being said he was 2 for 2 with a TD on throws of 20+ yards. Only 4 total passes of 10+ were attempted and 1 of those was the really bad INT. A lot of the 4th quarter checkdowns were simply because the Packers were playing prevent. But yeah....Fields has to look to push the ball early and Getsy has to scheme to allow it. Too many screens. Too many short passes. Fields has to set his eyes down the field and stop looking for college open receivers and realize what it means to be NFL open. That's the only way he's gonna grow now.
I agree with most of what you're saying here BWW, but just to add it also seemed like when he was given the opportunity to throw the clock was not processing fast enough. The screens terrible yes. The line, unforgivably bad and he did not have a lot of time. But I'd be lying if I didn't say I was very concerned about his ability to read the field. This is year 3. These Packers are not world beaters. Hoge said the other day that after this camp he has given up on him being a QB that will anticipate the throw, he will always need to see it. We'll see what the tape says. Like you say, he doesn't move the needle either direction - there's a thousand guys like that, hell Bagent could be *that* guy. The thing with Fields is, when he runs, that's when he looks electric! But that's the ONLY time he looks amazing. People in Chicago have this short term memory that Fields has looked better than Mitch, forgetting that Mitch had big moments where he looked dynamite throwing, but he couldn't put it together. I'm not seeing the huge difference between the two at this point, minus Justin's incredible ground game. No matter what we think of Fields, we see him the rest of this year. He plays like this, and we are going to be after Williams, and maybe regretting not picking a QB with the #1 this past year. But also no matter who we get, with this line, we are just going to be doing the SAME SHIT we do every fucking year. The game is won and lost in the trenches, and you better believe we saw that. I will say that this was a complete team failure. From the Coaches as you rightly point out, to the offense, to the defense, and let us not forget special teams. While we can talk about Fields, he's not even close to the top reason we lost. From letting the Packers get another drive to go up 4 points rather than 1 point at the half, and then coming out of the locker room with zero adjustments, and continuing to trot out the same shit the entire rest of the game, THAT's the embarrassment. As is often the case against the Packers, one team adjusted, and the other didn't. Yeah, it was one game, and it was the rival that kicks our ass every year, so the season is far from over. But this is also a team that was #1 pick overall and they somehow looked worse yesterday. Not that it will get lost in all this, but Roshon looked good. I am a sucker for that kind of hard running style. The boo birds were out in full force, and can anyone really blame them? After the first half, if the game had ended there, I'm upset, but it had that moral victory "we're pointing in the right direction" bullshit. That second half was a travesty. THAT is what should give every fan pause. Looking like a JV team. Pathetic. To sum up: Fuck this team.
A couple of examples of Fields reluctance to throw downfield when the play is there to be made. One results in a sack, the other in a checkdown.
Preach it varder. Alan Williams is a straight up bum who is way out of his depth. Taking a leaf out of Mel Tucker's book he is well on course to be coaching DB's at Appalachian State next season.
The bears did nothing to make Jordan Love's life difficult. Nothing. Love didn't look like a HOF, thank god. Erin wouldn't miss the busted coverage 3 play, and probably would have hung 50 on this bum ass team. So I guess there's the silver lining... Why are people shocked the OL sucked? They were dead last in the league last year, got rid of one bum in Mustipher for another in Patrick. Whitehair is paid like an all-pro, but he hasn't been good for 3 years and should have been cut/replaced. Teven Jenkins still cant stay on the field, Braxton was cringeworthy bad in some reps yesterday and okay in too few. Charles Leno vibes in all the wrong ways. Wright was up and down. Nate Davis is a turdloaf. Optimistically speaking, a step in the right direction would have been bottom 1/3 of the league in OL, given Jones and Wright are still developing/growing with some signs to feel good about. Instead they shit their pants and look every bit the worst OL in the league. Justin Fields was good enough until the INT. There was one slot WR screen with DJ Moore, a blocker, and the next DB 8 yards downfield and Fields missed it in the 2nd quarter. If Moore makes that guy miss it's a different ballgame, but instead I'm faced with the reality of rooting for a team embedded with football retardation in its DNA. The INT was horrendous. But his OC just kind of sucked. I'm baffled as to how teams thought it a good idea to interview him for HC. 2 targets to DJ Moore? What the fuck is wrong with you? Tremaine Edmunds looked great chasing down 5+ yard gains. TJ Edwards looked painful getting gutted for a TD on a lazy deep cross. Only a football-stupid team pays off-ball linebackers big money. The DL did them no help, but holy shit is it not looking good for Dexter or Pickens. Pickens was the better of two DL who were perpetually blocked. Ngokue wasn't great but he gave you a big run stop and a sack, which is more than most DL I've seen over the past 2 years. This team earned the #1 overall pick this past spring for a reason. I'm running out of patience with Poles,the honeymoon's over and your roster is full of bums. Eberflus needs to take over calling defensive plays, because Alan Williams sucks. ST was 'meh.' At least I didn't have to hold my breath watching Velus Jones for a change, even though there was nothing special about Tyler Scott returning anything.
It was cathartic to listen to chicago sports media today losing their minds. My favorite takes of the day were the Bears played that game as the 4th preseason game, and that they wish the problem was the QB, because then a tank results in picking your QB and all is well. With some time to calm down, I'm sure this team isn't as bad as we just saw. They really can't be. But man, this one is up there with the 50 burger, because it was Jordan Love in his FIRST ever start. He flat out outplays our QB too, though again, not all Justin's fault by a long, long shot. The real fault is Poles and his bullshit approach to building a team, bullshit coaching, etc. You know why Love looked good? Because their Oline isn't complete ass made of a hodgepodge of guys that wouldn't start for the Montreal Allouettes. And they had to block a dline bought at the bargain basement. In a system that demands pressure from the front 4. The thing with coaches, is they are either good and adaptable, or they never get their head out of their ass. Given what we know about this staff, I already feel, in this short time, they are a "head up their ass" kind of coaching staff, believing in the system over what the game dictates. They'll win some games, and they'll give us bullshit like yesterday. Flus, Getsy, Williams, hell, go down to the assistants, I'm sure there's plenty of worthless there too. And while I still believe him to be a complete headcase and wouldn't have taken him, how about Jalen Carter? Isn't the 3 tech critical to this fucking system? I wouldn't have picked him, but I'm an idiot. And yes, he's in a much better situation for him in Philly. But it just pisses me off to see results like that.
Poles was, too. He hung his hat on drafting secondary players early in both of his drafts, so far. If they don't show up, whether for injury or underperformance, he'll have spent the most considerable parts of his draft capital on guys that don't solve the most important problems on either side of the ball. You can't draft secondary players over linemen with the excuse of "best available talent" when they don't actually make a difference. I'm already over it. Fire these fucks. And I get it, someone out there will say "Give them more time, it's only the second year", but we've seen enough to know that the philosophies and approach Poles and Co. coming in with aren't going to work. Why? Because we've seen it before. Build from the outside in, waste five years of our time, repeat. I hope they prove me wrong, as always, but I feel like I'm on chapter 2 of a book I've already read and hated several times before.
I think the only way anyone gets fired after this season is if we somehow have a worse record than we did last year. Like 2 wins max. 3 wins and up and everyone is definitely coming back for 2024. Unfortunately, we are going to win more than 3 games, be out of the top 10 picks most likely, and Georgie will be damn pleased with the progress his boy Flus has shown. As much as I'm pissed at Poles for this offseason, we have to remember that Flus had already been interviewed and approved by Georgie prior to Poles even being hired. Less than 48 hours later Poles "hires" Flus. Give me a fucking break. Georgie picked the coach, plain and simple, we all know it. Had Poles ran the search from the beginning, maybe we have Mike McDaniel, or Daboll, or Doug Pederson, or maybe not. My point is Poles didn't hire Flus and shouldn't be held responsible for him, his other mistakes notwithstanding.
Oh, I fully expect Poles to be here at minimum five years. They'll give him a chance to draft another QB, let him fail for two or more years, and then move on. And again, I hope he proves me wrong. If Flus wasn't his guy and they want to give him another shot at a coaching staff, fine. But based on what he's shown me so far - his approach to the job - I don't have faith. Unless he's got some master plan that's going to come together two years from now, I'm not seeing a GM that's used the most draft capital and most cap space available to make his team better. And that's a problem.
Oh hey, this forum is still going strong! You all are more strong and dedicated than I am. The Nagy era just took to much of my will to be a fan. I am here to say FIRE RYAN POLES. Eberflus is an unmitigated disaster and that was his hire. Above everything else from week 1, Eberflus had the worst week of anyone. His team got thoroughly outcoached in every conceivable way. But what I simply cannot forgive and can never forget is that abomination of a defensive gameplan. I am genuniely certain that I would have cooked up a more competent defensive gameplan for week 1 than the Bears did. Its time to tank for Caleb, and pray that Kevin Warren is allowed to fire everyone and start over with his own choice of GM//HC.
Absolutely, they're going to do everything they can to not fire people. Actually i think Poles could talk his way into staying even if they won two games. They'll fire someone with a year left, but they won't eat multiple years unless there's total implosion, we know this. At this point im not sure Poles deserves the amount of credit you're giving him re a coaching hire. As for the rest, this is the same as with Pace, and Poles has no more of an excuse than he did. A GM with even one ball would say no way i pick my staff or im out. If they're so desperate for a job and so spineless that they'll go with whoever these clowns hire then fuckem. They deserve every bit of heat coming. What blows my mind is just how fucking dumb senior management/ownership of this team is. They did this with Pace and it was an unmitigated disaster, yet they are such complete fucking tards they go and do the exact same thing again. When you look at the coaching hires this team has made and then factor in who else was out there at each time, it is absolutely unfathomable how they could fuck it up this bad. Pederson has turned around a permanently failing franchise. McDaniel has got fucking TUA throwing for 450yards and winning on the other side of the country against a good team! Its just unbelievable.
Go Bearsssss! You son of a bitch how are you?! Its good timing, we're in need of one your Fire -insert latest fuckhead's name- statements. I mean really you should be starting a thread about it, that was always your area of expertise, but i guess you're easing back in. Post more please.
Fuck sake! I didn't exactly expect a big season out of this kid, but i wanted to see if he could do it.
When they showed the WR Screen where he was just standing there I said he needed to be benched. As a former Steelers WR he knows how to block. Dude is obviously a head case and probably why we traded him. If you're not even going to make an effort just retire and bag groceries or something.
I have a certain sympathy for any poor bastard WR who gets traded to this team. Odds are your career is going down the toilet one way or the other. But yeah, Claypool is a loafer. Our HC and his vaunted (s)HITS program should be all over this tho. He supposedly goes over the film of every player on every play and scores them for effort. When players loaf he takes note. Having seen this team play every in-season game he's coached i don't buy it personally, but one of two things will come of this. Either Claypool will get a benching in the near future or Eberflus' BS jingoistic system will be a little bit more discredited. Its desperate, but thats a close as you get to a win win with this team.
