Detroit Lions vs Chicago Bears Game Thread

That it was a bad throw that killed a drive is not irrelevant. It can be both PI and a bad throw.

 

It was both but the PI should have been called. That’s PI all around the league. Just not for Fields lately.

 

A player making a bad play doesn’t make it okay for an official to not do their job.

 

You and Ev can cry about the refs, I'll cry about Fields sucking in the 4th quarter.

 

Don’t be a twat. No one is crying. Those were missed calls. And they are just as impactful as a player that was personally responsible for 4 touchdowns making a bad play.

 

True, but the grim reality here is refs are just going to get calls wrong. It impacts more when you’re a bad team trying to stay in a game where you’re outmatched and missing playmakers. But I’d rather focus on the plays bears defenders took themselves out of plays by running into blocks offensive dysfunction by a bad mix of bad execution and shitty playcalling. That you can control, unfortunately you can’t control when the zebras decide to be cu_nts.

Today was shitty. But it was a reminder while we’ve seen progress, this is still a bad football team. Bad football teams snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The bears didn’t disappoint today. All of it was bad. Fields was the best of the bad.

Holy shit. The refs called holding on David Bakthiari. Buy a lottery ticket tonight, folks.

 

And players, young ones especially, will make mistakes.

A QB doing everything he can to win a game should only have to beat the 11 guys on the defense....not the guys in stripes too.

Fields was responsibles for 4 touchdowns today. Are we really going to pick on him for one underthrow?

Yeah he didn't play well at the end of the game but he played his ass off for the majority of it. Second year in the league...first full one starting where he was #1 in the offseason too....first year in a new offense....surrounded by mostly dogshit on offense.

I refuse to slander the kid for a underthrow.

 

I think Fields must have been pretty damn tired by the 4th quarter. His all-out running so often in the first 3 is going to take a toll on him and since no one is blocking for him he also had to use extra energy keeping away from all of those hands.

I think he did really well considering he's pretty much by himself out there.

 

Fuck losing. People in the media are running aroudn spotng their mouths out like these moral wins. fuck them. And it's the Lions. LIONS. The 2-6 this year Lions. When you wer eup by14.

The bad Fields did is not as bad as the good he did. He needs to throw better, limit more of those missed throws. But the dude dropped another buck fifty in rushing yards? And he did deliver some pretty great throws out there, the Kmet TD being one. It's growth still. That said I'm still not anointing him franchise qb and guaratneed 200mil or whatever.

I do think the 2min stuff is concerning from the entire offense, gotta be better, but getsy waving the fucking flag 2nd to last drive was bs.

 

Getsy’s late game playcalling all season concerns me. I know he’s new at this too but it’s just bad. He’s a mixed bag because he’s called some really good plays every week. But late game calls all year have been bad and today was as bad as it gets.

 

Bears are the first team in NFL history to lose 3 games in a row while scoring 29+ points

Even when we score we suck

 

Getsy really drove me nuts all day. Too many designed Fields runs when it was clear that Monty and Herbert were going to be productive today. No they aren't going to hit a home run like Fields but so what. Running the ball well with them will set up play action for Fields.

What concerns me most though is that the Fields of the 4th quarter today looked like the guy we saw the first month of the season when he was back to throw. The game moving too fast for him, being too indecisive with the ball, not throwing it when he should, not stepping up in the pocket when he should. Forget the underthrow to Kmet and the pick 6, it was everything else that pissed me off. I can live with a dumb mistake here and there. But I don't like seeing a guy regress in-game back to some really bad habits. And that coming at the worst possible time.

Getsy set this all up though by building the entire offense around designed Fields runs and putting Fields and the rest of the offense in a position where they weren't ready to execute in crunch time.

Getsy fucked this game up and the refs did the rest.

 

What bothers me most is the entire team, coaching staff to players, are absolutely at their worst when it’s crunch time.

At the end of games we’ve seen bad play calls, fumbles, turnovers, sacks, and just piss poor executive.

Some of that is youth and inexperience. Some of that is a lack of talent. And some of it is confidence and lack of a winners mentality.

The good news is massive roster turnover should prevent that from spilling over to next season for the players. But sometimes teams that only know how to find ways to lose don’t even find ways to win. And that is worrying.

The coaching aspect of it is troubling. Getsy has to rise to occasion at the end of games. Not coach scared. Eberflus has to be the decisive voice on the sideline that keeps everyone focused. Just not seeing that right now.

Again….this will be a different team next year. But how many of the problems we see now will we still see in the future? There’s a reason teams like the Lions are in constant rebuild and it goes beyond never finding the right GM or coach…..some franchises go a long time and can’t shake the loser mentality. Let’s hope this current regime can.

 

I didn't ask you to. I'd rather Fields have led Kmet on but then there's still a good chance the DB covering him catches up to him in a contested catch (I'd like to think a 6'6 250 lb TE can beat a 5'11 200 lb db) and its no guarantee of success either.

I will objectively ask you to slander the atrocious pick-six. Hutch sniffed out the out route in the flat, backed off pursuit and let Fields run out of room running away from the guy Braxton Jones couldn't put 2 hands on before he Tebow/Cutler-fusion jump-passed a duck to Okudah off his back foot. Those on this board (myself included) have murdered prior bears QBs for painful turnovers caused by god awful technique, and don't believe Fields is immune to criticism, especially when in a game the refs decided to make a big part of it about them and possessions matter, you just gave away a big one with points.

If you're going to win with the second coming of Mel Tucker's defense, minimizing mistakes--no matter how improbable--is how you win games when you're a bad team. THe bears did not do that today against a historically retarded opponent KNOWN for being a stupid team that the bears have seen (AND beaten) with lesser coaching and lesser talents.

I'm not putting this loss on Fields either, so let's not get it twisted. Getsy was bad a lot of the game. I put the vast majority of blame for this loss on Matt Eberflus. Young coach in his 1st year, has a 2 score lead and momentum going into the 4th. The ref factor out of your control just unraveled the team and game and Flus just sat there looking clueless. I'm not a meatball looking for him to be 'rah-rah' on the sidelines, but sometimes the coach has to do a little more than look stern in the retro bears logo cap while the refs are peckerslapping his team with a flaccid, zebra micropenis. Say what you will about the cheesefucker coach LaFleur in Green Bay, but every questionable call/hit he's in a ref's ear. So is the shitweasel from Seattle. They get results in return.

 

1- It wasn't a "bad" throw. It was underthrown yes, but it would've been a completion so there's a difference here. Unless anything not in a bucket is a bad throw now. In truth what is differentiated between in this regard often comes down to outside factors like did he catch it. Balls thrown behind WRs on crossers that they manage to catch are off target technically speaking but we forgive it quick enough cos of the catch. One handed catches are not showboating, they're usually off target which is why a WR can only get one hand on it. Do we bitch about that throw or do we let it slide cos the WR made a great play. This kind of hair splitting is silly and its kinda what you're doing here. I'll elaborate in point 3.

2- If it can be both PI and a bad throw then the drive wasnt killed purely by the "bad" throw. Your logic.

3- Please watch that play again. Seriously. After 1 second of the drop back you've got THREE O-Linemen bullrushed 6yards behind the LOS. Fields has no choice but to evade and is flushed to his weak side with Hutchinson bearing down on him. He's doesn't even have time to set and turn his body properly on the throw, if he did he would've got flattened. But despite having guys right in his face he still manages to get a catchable ball out. And your problem is that under that kind of heavy duress he didn't throw a perfect rainbow that the receiver could run through 40yards downfield? Are you fucking serious??

Let the record state that Fields can't make all world, Mahomes level plays like that, shocking lol.

My record states he avoided a sack and running to his wrong side under huge pressure got a pretty good ball out that after slowing down hit the receiver in the chest. Not turf, not down around his ankles, chest. Under the circumstances Fields did nothing wrong on that play. Regulation PI all day with officials doing their jobs.

 

If the Bears were playing a good team then this would all matter, but they were playing the Lions! So really what are you talking about?

 

Its true of course, but I really feel that this is so obvious we shouldn't even be talking in these terms.

Even the pick 6, which was an obvious big mistake, that was a 2nd & 18 play inside their own 20. If Fields just throws that away i promise you the next play is a give up call and they punt and the Lions get the ball with good field position.

Having given up the pick 6 tho, all Fields did was get the ball and like two plays later run in a 70yard TD haha. So if you say those 2 TDs cancel out then that whole sequence of possessions ended up being a wash except that the Lions ended up with worse field position after the kickoff versus after a punt. The pick 6 was a bad play and Fields really needs to learn from it and i hope he does, but due to subsequent events that specific play ended up being barely consequential at all to the result.


With that out the way what else do we have on the negative side? Not throwing to Monney on the 3rd Down late? Some indecisiveness creeping into his game late generally? Whatever it is isnt close to erasing the positives, the kid caried the team on his back yesterday. The escape from the pocket and literally telling Pringle where to stand while on the run before throwing him a lazer? The TD passes? The dogshit playcall on 3rd down at the 3 that Fields had to escape from pressure again before going head to head with a defender at the goal line and winning? I could go on and on. Kinda sad that i have to though.

 

I never said it was killed purely due to the bad throw. It was underthrown and also it was a bad throw, and it was PI. Yes, all three of these are possible.

 

His indecisiveness was really bad throughout (note also the first superman TD run when he had Mooney his first read in the flat for a TD and didn't throw) and I go back to the blame falling on Getsy for a game plan that relied almost entirely on Fields runs and no momentum was built in the passing game. It would have been if we had run the ball heavily with Monty and Herbert and then did some PA downfield throws.

 

The offense was woefully unprepared for that last drive. That's on Getsy and the coaches for a shit game plan leading up to that point.