To the Eagles no less, who are having a stellar year, so I'm hoping its higher than the 5th people were tossing around. I don't know what the compensation is.
Looks like a 4th round pick and the Bears will eat his salary for this year. So I guess he got better than the rumors of the 5th round pick offered before the season.....so, win? Eagles are doing well this year so that 4th round pick is going to be late 4th round.
Good trade for now. I would have preferred he was moved in the offseason when I think his value was higher. His 2022 resume shows 1 sack in 7 games. But if that's true Poles only could've gotten a 5th in the offseason then, yes, a win.
It’s a 4th which will be a late 4th. I’ll take it. He has been way too inconsistent. Let’s see how the young guys step up. His sacks weren’t there this season but his effort has been. We will soon see just how much he is missed.
All the clowns on social media screaming to trade Montgomery too. That would make no sense as you would get nothing in return as he is going to be a FA after the season. I don’t see his market being that high and with a ton of cap space I wouldn’t be against bringing him back. Injury risk is high in the NFL. 2 backs in a run heavy offense makes sense.
That would kill me to read if Roquan didn't demand a trade in the off-season. This is the business, and he should know it if anyone does. I'm a huge advocate for every player getting theirs, but until the NFL adds things like no trade clauses (guaranteed money being a form of that, in a sense), that also means knowing you can get moved anywhere at any time. I'm sure everyone on that defense is gonna miss Quinn. Was fun having him here, last year. To the broader topic, you'd think they could get more from him either in the off-season or now, but I guess we'll take what we can get. This is a tank season anyway, and he should have the chance to play meaningful football elsewhere given where he's at in his career. Same thing for Hicks - fuck, I miss him, but I also recognize he's better off elsewhere. It's the Eagles, so might literally be the last pick of the fourth round. Knowing our luck, it'll be the pick Chicago uses to draft the first lineman on either side of the ball in that draft. Sorry, I'll leave the cynicism for another time.
Being pragmatic about this i think its an acceptable move. Its not a great draft pick by any means, but its something. Didn't expect much more at this stage of things. The move will also create even more cap space next year and should mean we get to see more of the younger players the rest of the season which is useful for evaluation purposes. Quinn's market was too depressed for anything better than this. His number's are way down, tho im not sure he's actually been playing badly, i think much of it is a function of Mack being gone and teams obvs gameplanning for his pass rush first now. The Pats started out leaving Trent Brown on an island with Quinn and he gave him fits that first half. Nevertheless Poles prob did as well as he could now and if it was me i would've done it too. The big question i have is what a couple of you have touched on....why wasn't this trade done in the offseason and what went down with that? This is all gonna be JMO and based on little that is concrete..... I straight up don't buy that the best offer Poles had in the offseason was a 5th rounder. I know thats what the "anonymous soucres" said, but i'm not having it. Quinn had just finished a clear second in the league for sacks for the 2021 season with 18.5. That is a hell of a lot. On tape he was playing as young and bending round the corner on speed rushes as well as he ever had. His stock was high, even allowing for things like age and cap hits. There's just no way you look at that as another GM and go in with a 5th rounder. Its not worth the phone call. Especially once Mack had been traded. I think Poles was faced with a bad roster, with a pair of edge rushers who were damned good but due to age were never gonna be part of the rebuild. Thanks to Pace's incompetence Mack's cap hits had been completely unsustainable, he just had to go. Poles did the best he could with it. But Quinn? His stock was as high as it was gonna be, but trading away both star pass rushers brings with it bad optics, the kind ownership doesn't like. Remember the Pace "rebuild thats not a rebuild"? They don't like the connotations. They don't like what it says to the fanbase even if it is totally true. Get rid of both and you are telling the league, and of course the fans, you are tanking the season before its started, thats a v tough sell. Its also poss that Eberflus lobbied hard to be left with one of them. Not saying Quinn was off the market. But i think to be able to sell the concept, Poles decided it would need to be a serious offer. Late 1st rounder, done deal. 2nd & change, yep. But the offers never got quite that high. Personally i think its very possible the "anonymous source" 5th rounder chat was something leaked from within to control the narrative. My call is that Poles never got more than about a 3rd rounder offered. He prob hoped that if Quinn carried it on into this season that would go up as we got into trade deadline season and contender teams with pass rush needs emerged(see Von Miller 2021). Didn't happen and when it became time to get what he could, he did. Thats my little theory on how it shook out based on my knowledge of how the league works, how the Bears work, and what Quinn's true value was. We'll prob never find out but i hope you enjoyed reading. Good Day.
Honestly more for him than I thought they’d get. Like it because while it’s late 4th, it’s still before comp picks and that’s a 'sweet spot' round for comp picks starting to add up (7 in 2022, 7 in 2021, 8 in 2020). I figured for certain that with his production this year, the bears would be lucky to get a conditional 6th/7th. And this opens the door for Trevis Gipson and Dominique Robinson to be less 'situational' in getting snaps all together. Got a couple early-20 PS guys too I imagine are going to get a look as the season/injuries progress. And unfortunately because this is the bears, this is adding up to a DLinemen being taken with a 1st round pick. This is the million dollar question. And I think there's a lot more to it than 'age' or 'contract' or 'he can't repeat that production' or 'the bears are asking too much' amid the rest of the lazy responses I've seen. I think the biggest reason was Khalil Mack got traded and off the books first, and Poles with his resources only felt the need to invest a 5th round pick and couple undrafted guys along with signing Al Quadin Mohammed at the DE position. Khalil Mack? Yes. Remember, Ryan Pace was doing to Mack what JA did with Julius Peppers at the end, constantly restructured him, kept kicking his guaranteed $ down the road to the point that LA Chargers agreed to trade for Mack and then mini-extended/restructured him to spread his cap hit out to 27 mil and 23.5 (and because they're not the bears, they manipulated the cap to have him count something like 13.5 mil with money turned into a signing bonus) in the years walking into them having to have to pay Justin Herbert after Pace made that number over 30 per year at the end with his dipshittery. I think this trade happening first when it probably shouldn't have (remember Peppers was effective at the end--nobody wanted him and he was cut and the bears ate a shitload of dead money for a year or two) to a lot of people--but Brandon Staley wanted his boy--gave Poles a reason not to deal Quinn because he got rid of an albatross on a guy who looked unmotivated towards the end and was hurt all the time and there wasn't a lot left behind on the depth chart. I think with Monty, people just saw what SF gave up for Christian McCaffery and they immediately jumped to the conclusion of 'Monty isn't CMC, but that's the market now so we should get a return almost as good as CMC!' without taking into account the obvious differences in talent level, contract, and needs of other teams who are actually in the RB market. People think this way because they're retarded and unable to grasp the concept that 'it takes 2 to tango.' Hell, people who think 'but the market' in general are fucking stupid and usually let their favorite pundit television program do their critical thinking for them.
If we trade Monty we'd like get a 5th or 6th, in the area of what the Jets gave up for James Robinson. That's not enough for a guy who is going to be continue to provide excellent support for the offense the rest of the season. That said, I'd still like to see Ebner get in the rotation a little more. I was very impressed with him in the preseason and it may turn out that we'd be fine with him and Herbert for 2023.
Probably an accurate theory Ev, but at least he held his ground and wasn't a pushover like some of the former Bears GMs. I'm happy with the 4th just not ecstatically because it will be a late 4th, but it's not a 6th rounder that we've been conditioned to receiving with these types of deals. I will give Poles some credit here while he's developing too, and while his market evaluations may be inflated at this point he stuck by his guns and didn't cave, and that shows me restraint.
To me the trade feels like a steal. You got a 4th for a guy doing basically nothing this season. He actually had a good game Monday night but has spent most the season being super unproductive. I like it.
Before the season, there was a lot of talk of how we are going to move on from Monty in the future, I don't think we need to, the cap space is going to go up, and I don't think he's going to be demanding team-breaking money. I would guess the clowns want to sell high on him, but that "high" isn't all that high, as Pat points out, it's not CMC and there won't be big buyers. This is a fantastic point and one I totally believe could have happened. It makes sense with how inept the Bears ownership is, and how much they rely on "positive narratives" and "handling the media". Remember the mock press conference, leading to us hiring the worst coach in the NFL, instead of a reigning COTY? Yes, ownership doesn't make direct roster decisions, but these "influences" are still felt. If he gets a 4th after a lackluster partial season, why wouldn't he get higher before the season began? Wouldn't someone part with a 3rd? There have to be GMs out there as dumb as Angelo/Pace right now, statistically speaking, and those fuckers traded 1sts and 2nds like they were falling autumn leaves. Especially with all the optimism teams have before the season. That said, if ownership was't involved, and instead Poles was just banking on him being decent enough to increase his price, then that's still a fair gamble even if it didn't pay off. Especially if all he lost was 3rd->4th, when the potential to gain was maybe a 2nd? For where he is now, it's good value. I honestly believe the good game Monday, on national TV, is what sealed the deal and have the Eagles feeling like they got a steal. And to be fair with the Eagles D-line he will probably flourish more than he would have here, so it's really win/win.
Admittedly he hasn't seen much PT, but from what there's been i really haven't seen anything to get excited about. Not much quick twitch or NFL play speed. Plodding would be the word that comes to mind for me so far. Personally im quite happy seeing him on the sideline. Every carry he gets is one taken from either Monty or Herbert and it feels like i come out of every game thinking those two should've had more carries. Great point. If this was "Snails" Pace you can bet the compensation would've been another fabled 6th rounder. A 4th rounder? Well its progress.
