Believe me, I understand the EXTREME negativity regarding anything involving the Cleveland Browns. What a shitshow, right? But regardless, this team is built to win now. If you disagree, that's fine. I'm still optimistic that this could be a fun year for the Browns.
Glad you are looking at the realities of the situation. Obviously beyond my comprehension. Maybe Irish will come back to chastise everything, and make Cleveland fans feel like shit for being Cleveland fans. We can only hope.
Garoppolo could get the Browns into the playoffs. He’s a proven winner, actually he’s more proven than Watson.
Looking back through my posts in this thread, I've come to a few personal conclusions. Irish was right . . . I was wrong. I still think the initial intent and course of action by Tony Buzbee was a cash grab. The fact that he then sued the Houston Texans and settled out of court only validated my thought process. Based on my life experiences, I lumped the entirety of accusers into a bunch of women looking for a quick payday. Where I went wrong was not accepting the possibility that some of the 26-odd accusers may have had a viable complaint. After digesting Judge Robinson's ruling, I now know that, at least, four of these women did indeed have a valid complaint. Irish seemed to eviscerate the Browns organization for even considering acquiring a player that had the bagage surrounding Watson. I still believe the Browns did their due diligence before making the final (and successful) trade offer. I find it hard to believe the Browns weren't privy to, at least, most of the details in the NFL's investigation. That plus the fact that two seperate grand juries declined to indict Watson only underscored their decision to proceed with the trade. Where the Browns went wrong was thinking the NFL would actually abide by the decision and resulting suspension from Judge Robinson. One only has to look at the Ray Rice incident. He was initially only suspended for two games. And then the video of the incident went public, the NFL looked at the public opinion and then revised the punishment to an indefinite suspension. Ray Rice hasn't played in the NFL since. The very same Personal Conduct Policy used by Judge Robinson to determine that Watson did, in fact, violate the policy, also provides guidelines for the length of suspension. The Browns should have known that Goodell would, once again, react to public opinion, appeal the decision and attempt to get the suspension they wanted in the first place. I will predict that Peter C. Harvey comes out with an indefinite suspension.
This is pretty low... @IrishDawg42 never told anyone how to feel and he's expressed his conflicted feelings on this (as he should be able to). The Browns management made this mess -- not a person on these message boards.
One of the truly amazing things is how unrestrained #dlinebass5 is allowed to be on these boards. Someone who habitually steps over the T&C with personal attacks with little to no productive discourse is not someone I try to engage with. I visit the Bolts board all the time! Problem is there's not a lot going on over there.
Thought this was "ALL THINGS BROWNS", no? Granted, I'm not allowed to give my two cents by one of the literal founding fathers (#Lyman) but I'll still offer witty banter and dry witticisms related to the team and/or football broadly.
Sue L. Robinson found SP4 guilty of not just the predatory behavior but of breaking the NFL's Code of Conduct at least four times. She saw the same evidence that everyone else involved did. Browns management knew the facts - they thought they could ignore them and the the NFL's historically awful stance towards women would turn out in their favor.
Yeah, I'm all for it too. Only problem is, you tried this the other day when you mentioned Peoples-Jones. I immediately took your lead and responded with my thoughts on him and some other offensive players that I think will have expanded roles this year, which you completely ignored and within about two posts we were right back in the Watson garbage.
Nah. I’m still of the mind that Berry and company were looking at ‘22 as another build year. Where you at with Rosen?
They gotta funny way of doing that by trading away their bricks and 2X4's. Now, they have no choice and then hope to hell Watson is reinstated for 2023. Rosen ? At least he knows how to sign an autograph . . . hopefully.
Kareem Hunt would like a new contract or a trade, per Josina Anderson. So look to see D'Ernest Johnson in an expanded role as Kareem is traded to recoup draft picks. The right team might net a third and fourth for him. Who else do you see in line for expanded roles?
It hinges around whether or not they are willing to put money out for free agents in the 2022-23 off-season. They have the capital, and if they approach it in a meaningful manner it makes sense to spend in years where there is no high end draft picks to contract.
Honestly? Because the "all-in" move to get SP4 didn't come off as building for the future. Tough to argue they were going that route when they gave up an historic, fully-guranteed contract and all the meaningful draft picks for the next 2-3 years. "Building" to me would mean putting the missing pieces together and giving them a season or two to gel - a premier receiver and a legitimate defense, for instance. Instead, they got worse at all the skill positions, didn't meaningfully improve the defense (that was already suspect) and now they're looking at a Brissett-led team for at a minimum 12 games and riding that out to a 6-11 finish. Tough to develop young receivers like they have (Bell, Peoples-Jones, Schwartz, Bradley) with a guy like Brissett who's barely a replacement-level QB. Then you've got Amari Cooper who's good, but who's essentially a guaranteed Jarvis Landry out there. They got worse in the secondary losing Troy Hill - a Top 15 CB playing a now-premium nickel position and are replacing that output with either Greg Newsome or Greedy Williams, the other now in line to be the other perimeter guy despite strugglin with injuries. And of course, it's still Joe Woods calling the shots (yikes). The offensive line got worse and you've put a guy back there in either SP4 who already takes a great deal of sacks, or the very immobile Brissett who's giving up similar numbers. Nick Harris is not an improvement over J.C. Tretter, Jack Conklin is on the PUP, and Jed Wills is looking more and more like a reach pick with each passing season. No, I'm afraid this "all in" move was to cover the deficiencies in the roster from Berry's mis-management and the gaps in Stefanski's coaching ability by getting a "blue chip, top tier" QB who now may - or may not - take a single snap this season and possibly even into next. As I previously mentioned, once the Grand Juries failed to indict in Texas (go figure), they took that as a green light and I think the Browns F/O was counting on the NFL's historically awful stance on women to fast-track SP4 into starting Week 1. Imagine how differently all this looks if he'd had settled everything in the season where he quit on his last team and sat out like the Miami Dolphins asked him to.
