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Discussion in 'NFL General Discussion' started by Willie, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    If they want Garoppolo, they aren’t going to get him for less than a 2nd. Also he might want his salary as a proven commodity. He’s been to two NFCCGs and one SB. He would be the best QB since Otto Graham to play for the Browns.
     
  2. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    If I'm Jimmy G, I go to the front office in SF and ask them not to send me to Cleveland.

    Helping the Browns clean up that mess for a season will do very little positive for his career arc, but will put him in a situation that can create a potential negative press storm that will hurt his ability in negotiations when his market is open again.

    The Browns should look at someone like Kurt Benkert. Just go with an arm with upside, let Jacoby be the starter and if you have to shift to the back-up, understand that this season needs to roll past and the future remain the focus.

    I know there are some that believe Cleveland is in 'win now' mode, but I disagree with that notion.
     
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  3. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Wouldn’t that put injury to insult if the Browns had to send a top five pick to the Texans for someone who can’t play till next season?
     
  4. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Speaking of Jimmy G. Im not sure if Mills is the answer completely in Houston, so maybe the Texans would be a good landing spot. Another I was thinking is Seattle... I think Jimmy G would be an upgrade, but there's this thing about trading with divisional rivals, but I seen Bret Favre go to Minnesota, lol.

    Just some thoughts, based on Jimmy's arm being good also.
     
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  5. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Favre went to the Jets, then signed with the Vikings as a FA
     
  6. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    No, Vikings... 2009 and 2010.
     
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  7. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    He was traded to the Jets and signed as a FA after one season with the Jets
     
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  8. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    My fault... I was wrong and misused the word traded.
     
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  9. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    If I'm Eric Berry, I tell the 49er's don't hold your breath waiting on a call from the Browns.

    I'm not part of that "some". Regardless of how many games Watson will (or will not) play, The Browns biggest deficiency is their rush defense. It matters not that they can run the ball with the best of them if their opponents can eat the clock and keep Chubb, Hunt and that O-line off the field. Garoppolo does nothing to improve that.

    I'm looking more at the long game. Right now, the Browns have the most cap space in the NFL (~$48.5M). Shy of signing a stud run stuffing DT, the Browns would be better off keeping as much of that cap space intact and roll it over into the 2023 season. They're gonna need it.
     
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  10. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    That's my thoughts on it as well. That's why I mentioned Benkert as a simple hire. He would cost very little and he has been around a couple quality veterans while being at the professional level. He's got a live enough arm to make some throws and, if needed, I think he could be relatively effective in Stefanski's system.
     
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  11. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Jimmy ain't getting traded. Write it in stone.
     
  12. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Looking a prop bet to put 1K on Jimmy G being traded before Week 1 since it's now a foregone conclusion.
     
  13. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    NFLPA, Deshaun Watson have decided to challenge a full-year suspension in court

    The eventual punishment, if any, imposed on Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson will depend first on the decision of Judge Sue L. Robinson and then, if she imposes any discipline at all and the league appeals, the Commissioner or his designee. Eventually, the courts could get involved.

    Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports reports that the NFL Players Association and Watson’s camp already have decided to sue the league in federal court, if the end result of the process is a full-season suspension.


    While the union and Watson are entitled to try, it won’t be easy to win. For starters, judges love it when private parties agree to their own procedures for resolving disputes. The NFL and the NFLPA negotiated the process of imposing discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy. Both sides agreed to revise the approach in 2020, with the disciplinary officer entering the calculation. As a general matter, courts won’t be inclined to burden themselves by second-guessing the unfolding of the steps crafted by management and labor — and the Federal Arbitration Act gives them cover to stay out of such battles.

    Complicating matters is the history created by the cases resulting from the suspensions of Tom Brady and Ezekiel Elliott. Brady, after defeating his #Deflategate suspension in a Manhattan federal court, lost before a three-judge panel in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. Elliott, who successfully circumvented the New York federal court system and the precedent of the Brady case, initially won relief in a Texas federal court from his Personal Conduct Policy suspension. However, it was determined that he had sued too quickly when he filed his case challenging the final decision of the league before the NFL could file a lawsuit attempting to defend it. The case reverted to the one the NFL filed in New York, and that was that.

    That’s where the NFL has a built-in advantage. It can have the paperwork ready to file in the Southern District of New York, and it can press the button literally seconds after the internal ruling becomes official. Basically the league can easily win what is ultimately a rigged race to the courthouse.

    The fact that the league and the union have negotiated a new CBA since the Elliot case will make it even harder to attack the current procedures. If there were serious concerns regarding the rules and regulations for imposing discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy, the union could have addressed them when hammering out the new terms. To prevail, the NFLPA will need to show that the league violated its own rules and regulations, in some way.

    It won’t be enough to say, “We don’t like the final decision.” Both sides agreed that the disciplinary officer makes the first decision, that the Commissioner or his designee handle the appeal, and that the decision on appeal is final. The federal courts aren’t supposed to be the next level of appeal. The case is supposed to be over. Thus, based on the Brady and Elliott cases, it won’t be easy for Watson to get a federal court to overturn a one-year suspension, if that’s the final result of the agreed internal procedure.

    PFT
     
  14. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Watson has lost his mind. He made his mess, now he needs to take what he gets and quietly serve it.
     
  15. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    If the league wants to make some extra money off of this they should make it into an hour long Deshaun Watson suspension announcement special. It could be sponsored by Trojan Condems and the National Massage Therapist Association.
     
  16. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    They could have a guess the number of games suspended contest with the winner getting tickets to sit in and hear the appeal case.
     
  17. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Come on down and spin the wheel of suspension.
    If you don’t like the results you can spin
    The Appeal Wheel.
     
  18. Jeanquev Legend Steelers

    If Watson gets anything less than a year does Ridley try to get his reduced?
     
  19. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Isn’t it all about the Benjamins? So we have decided to let Watson play in 2022 and suspend him for all of 2023, that way we can collect a real paycheck from him.
     
  20. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Gambling is a serious problem, so they can’t show no mercy when it comes to it. Some shoeless guy and Pete Rose can’t get in the Baseball HOF because of it.
     

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