@IrishDawg42, Doesn't the FACT that Tony Buzbee lined up 22 women to accuse Watson cause even a tiny eye-roll for you? Not 1 or 2 or even 3 or 4. But 22 !!! That smells to me like he want's to wear Watson down to the point where he's amicable to settle just to be done with it. Then Buzbee just takes his cut of the settlement and goes away.
I asked a legitimate question and you gave me an extremely vague answer. Some of those 22 complaints are exposure, why are tho telling me to piss off?
Here is a complete list of the complaints: Lawsuits 1 and 2 The first two lawsuits were filed by Buzbee in Harris County, Texas. The first lawsuit stems from an incident that allegedly occurred at a massage therapist's home in March 2020, and the second lawsuit stems from an incident that allegedly took place at The Houstonian Hotel, Club and Spa in August 2020. The plaintiffs in both of those lawsuits are female massage therapists who filed as Jane Doe. Both lawsuits allege that Watson committed civil assault by exposing himself and touching the plaintiffs with his penis. Both lawsuits also say the plaintiffs grew "uncomfortable" during the massages, and the women abruptly ended their sessions after Watson acted inappropriately. They did not respond to any additional attempts at communication from Watson, who initially set up the meetings via Instagram direct messages, per the lawsuits. "It became apparent that Watson wanted a massage for only one reason — sex," the first lawsuit states. Watson allegedly told the plaintiff involved in the March 2020 incident: "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine." She considered Watson's remark to be a threat, per the lawsuit. The plaintiffs are seeking compensatory damages in order to "prevent Watson from further like conduct." Lawsuit 3 The third lawsuit stems from an incident that allegedly occurred at a Houston office building in December 2020. The plaintiff in the lawsuit filed as Jane Doe. While the third lawsuit alleges a similar pattern of behavior toward the massage therapist, it also says Watson "got more aggressive, forcefully telling her to move her hand down to his pubic area." The lawsuit claims Watson forced the woman, who felt "intimidated and threatened," to perform oral sex on him and that she "did not consent." "Plaintiff wishes she could have been more courageous and would have ended the massage," the lawsuit states. "But she felt helpless in the moment. Plaintiff was under Watson's control." Lawsuits 4-7 Four more civil lawsuits were filed against Watson on March 19, bringing the total to seven. Three of the four lawsuits allege Watson made inappropriate contact with women during massage sessions, per Barshop. The fourth claims Watson tried to kiss a woman against her will. Lawsuits 8-14 Seven more civil lawsuits were filed on March 22, including one that accuses Watson of sexually assaulting a woman in March 2021 — the most recent allegation to date. The alleged incidents included in the seven lawsuits range from April 2020 to March 2021. "Plaintiff believes Watson to be a serial predator," the 14th lawsuit states. Lawsuits 15-19 Lawsuits 15 and 16 were filed on March 23, alleging behavior similar to what was described by other plaintiffs. Three more lawsuits were then filed on March 28, alleging Watson "purposely" touched women with his penis. One of those lawsuits states Watson had been "deleting Instagram messages and contacting those who formally provided him massages, in an attempt to settle." Watson's lawyer, Rusty Hardin, denied that Watson had "reached out directly to his accusers in an attempt to settle these cases" and said Watson had not deleted any Instagram messages since March 15. Lawsuits 20 and 21 Two more lawsuits were filed on March 30, including one that alleged Watson groped a massage therapist, coerced her into oral sex and ejaculated on her, per Barshop. ________________________________________ After those two lawsuits were filed, Hardin released statements from 18 women saying that Watson "never made them feel uncomfortable or demanded anything outside the scope of a professional massage." ________________________________________ Lawsuit 22 Lawsuit 22 was filed on April 2, alleging Watson "assaulted and harassed plaintiff by touching her with his penis and exposing himself." The lawsuit also claims that Watson used "more than 50 different women for massages" in a short time frame. Barshop reported that Hardin was granted two motions April 8 for hearings to determine whether Buzbee should be ordered to disclose the accusers' identities. The hearings took place April 9, with judges ruling that 13 of the identities must be disclosed. "Mr. Buzbee's use of anonymous lawsuits violates Texas law and the basic concept of fairness," Hardin said in a statement. Hardin wrote in one court filing that knowing the women's identities is "the only way" Watson can "properly defend himself." Lawsuit 23 Lawsuit 23 was filed April 14, a day after Hardin told reporters that one of the initial 22 suits had been dropped. Pro Football Talk, citing the Houston Chronicle's reporting, noted that the plaintiff in the latest suit is a Houston makeup artist who is alleging that Watson sexually assaulted and harassed her during massage sessions in September 2020 and November 2020. The woman is also alleging that Watson asked her to touch his penis and that he groped and tried to kiss her. Do I think that Tony Buzbee is shady like so many others? I don't know the man, I haven't seen any articles that describe him doing things unethical, so it is hard for me to judge him. Do I think it is plausible that he fabricated 23 separate lawsuits based entirely on 24 women that are known associates of Watson, that did perform massages on Watson? That is where you start to lose me. Do I think Buzbee initiated contact with these other women? I think it is probable that he initiated some of that contact, but how on earth did he FIND all of these women that Watson had personally set up massages with? In all, there were over 50 women in a short amount of time that he set up these massages. Only 24 have accused him of misconduct and 18 have come out to make statements that he was professional... When I say ONLY 24, that number doesn't matter to me personally. All I care about is the number 1. If he did just 1 of these acts, I would feel the same. But, I don't give eye rolls to "information" that attempts to persuade me to believe nothing happened simply because they have a slimy lawyer representing them. That slimy lawyer wins a high percentage of his cases. Most successful civil lawyers are successful because they pick winner cases. He didn't need this case to become famous, his reputation was already there. Since we are going off of "facts" here... Where is the substantiated evidence that Buzzby initiated contact with all 24 accusers, 22 of which are on the lawsuits? My question for you is, when you are with a professional organization that employs professional people to do things like, massage therapy, it doesn't even cause a tiny eye-roll for you that he went on his own to hire over 50 FEMALE massage therapists? I haven't heard of a single male therapist being hired by Watson on his own. So, even though the circumstantial information that is provided by both parties has not (maybe cannot be) verified, I personally feel much more ickiness coming from Deshaun Watson and the FACTS of this case, than I do from the 22 accuser's lawyer. Where there is smoke there is fire? He hired at the very least 50+ women to do private massages over a 2-3 year period, outside of what his employer offered him. That alone is suspect to me. Everything else just paints a darker picture.
For the record, I watched the HBO special and it didn’t change the light on the Watson case. It was merely putting a face to the same information for two of the 22 women that have accused him and one of Deshaun Watson’s lawyers. They made statements about what happened that was already public knowledge of the allegations, as well as the lawyer rehashing the same arguments his side has made since before the grand jury hearings. Nothing new, it wouldn’t, imho, had swayed either side of their current views.
They took a lot of shots at the Cleveland Browns. Everyone has their opinion, and Watson and the Browns have already lost in the court of public opinion. The only thing the Browns can do now is just accept the scolding. We are likely going to get a resolution on the NFL's penalty in the coming weeks, and that will be a big step. Just win.
Very true.. Thing is, the NFL is in a no win situation also. Do they keep it along historical lines or about 6 games, which will bring the ire of women's rights groups etc.. or do they go all in and give him 10+ games, which around 8 games would be in line with what Trevor Bauer got in MLB, which will get the rabid Browns fans throwing things? In the past, it was based on 1-2 incidents, with a possible 24 documented allegations and 22 separate civil suits, do they do something that is on scale with that? Which would most likely be a full season.. This is going to be interesting. Then you have ownership of 31 other clubs that were(are) pissed off at the deal the Browns through at him that reset the market barking at the league offices, will that play a part in this, even though it shouldn't?
You're forgetting one comparison. Robert Kraft. Same type of venue. Had video tape of his indiscretions. Settled out of court and got nothing in the form of NFL punishment.
I did not watch the HBO program because I'm cheap and don't subscribe to HBO. I did, however, read a transcript of the show and watched a snippet of one of the two women featured. Based on the small amount I watched, she came across as sincere and, frankly, believable. From what I could ascertain, she never did comply with what she said Watson asked her to do. Then it dawned on me . . . is it possible (in her case) that both parties are correct? Can one person ask someone else to do something that in the first person believes to be normal (based on past experience) but the second person finds offensive?
Lym, I don't think we are going to agree on this. We have different moral opinions on this and I think it is clouding us both. The truth is probably somewhere in between. First off, it is NOT the same type of venue at all.. not even close. Kraft went to a massage parlor that was known for a happy ending. Hiring a professional massage therapist is no where near the same thing. He also didn't settle out of court, the misdemeanor charge was dropped against Kraft. I don't know why. This case seemed to be a very large undertaking in human trafficking. I wish they had prosecuted him to the full extent of the law. Yes and no, Robert Kraft holds some pretty major influence over this league. He has been an owner for coming up on 30 years. I think they did a huge disservice by not punishing him. Players don't get that kind of autonomy. They got it wrong with Ray Rice and I think they are going to come down fairly tough on Deshaun Watson. If you think Watson is going to get off without punishment, I believe you are in state of wishful thinking. Again, I could be way off base, but this Watson thing has divided a fanbase and caused debate across the sports landscape. Robert Kraft was called a dirty old man and everyone pretty much moved on. I'm not saying it's right, in fact I said it is wrong, but that is what happened.
LOL, No, if he did what they said that is sexual imposition at best, sexual assault at worst. Only a sadist would think that is ok, or normal as you put it. Now, if any of these women hit on him and he was attracted to that woman, then it would be unprofessional, but nothing wrong with following sexual attraction for two consenting individuals. That is not what we are talking about though.
What I don't know. Were the two women featured on HBO the two cases dismissed by the Grand Jury? Did any of the 22 accusers call the police after the alleged event took place?
I don't know the answer to either of those questions Lym. That's part of the problem. There is hearsay that the police weren't cooperative with any of the alleged victims, but there is also no record of any of them even talking to the police. Then there is the talk of the first accuser going to 3-4 lawyers before Buzbee actually took the case. He then made social media accounts of what his client intended to do and invited anyone else that had similar experiences to contact him.. The rest is history. I can't find the names in any of the criminal cases, ten women in total. Two separate Grand Jury cases involved multiple women, not just two.
