This team just flat out sucks

I think 5 years from now Fields is going to be one of the better QBs in the league. I don't think he will be the best but I think he will be a guy that will put up some big numbers and win games with his arm and feet. And will occasionally match some head scratching plays that frustrate you.

Right now I'd put his ceiling somewhere above a Dak Prescott but below an Aaron Rodgers. What that means is with the right surrounding class you can win with this kid.

There are some good building blocks. Mooney is good. I like what I've seen this season from Borom and now Jenkins and if the resign Daniels that leaves you searching for just a center.

Kmet can be a decent #2 TE that blocks well and catches balls occasionally. They need a pass catching tight end. They need a new #1 receiver. They need a better #3 receiver.

The defense is a lot of question marks. Who is the DC next year? Is a switch back to a 4-3 coming? Who stays, who goes? I fear an offensive minded coach coming in and hiring a Mel Tucker type that just makes this defense more embarrassing than it has been at times this season. Jaylon Johnson is a lock moving forward...and maybe we have something in Thomas Graham. We know what we have in Roquan...maybe the most underrated player in football. The rest? Who knows.

It's not totally bleak. Not having a first round pick hurts but if Fields becomes what he can become...that won't matter in a few years.

Arrows up for me. In spite of all this bullshit.

 

I will only say that the arrow is pointed up if Pace is fired. He has proven he can't assemble a winning roster. If he's still on board next year, it just puts us another year back.

 

My gut feeling is they give Pace another season. I don't agree with that but I think that's what is going to happen.

I think there is substance to those Trace Armstrong rumors. I truly think this is the offseason some, if not Armstrong himself, is hired as the head of football operations below George and Teddy and above Pace.

I 100% believe Pace should be shitcanned. It just doesn't feel like that's happening this offseason. I'm happy to be wrong.

 

What does arrows up mean?

 

When things go up...that's good.

 

Arrows left for me except for the pit stop this team took in 1985 it's been nothing but circle after circle with this team, and I'm fucking dizzy!

 

Oh.
Is this football terminology?

 

I really hate that I think you're right. I'm just trying to be optimistic. I thought there was NO WAY they'd be stupid enough to keep those morons on board last year, so there's REALLY NO WAY they'll keep them on this year, right? RIGHT??? But yeah, they'll probably just scapegoat Nagy. Pace gets to draft multiple early first round QB's, select multiple head coaches, and win zero playoff series in almost a decade... and gets to keep his job. Makes sense.

 

It's life terminology. Things are looking UP, things are going DOWNhill.
Okay, let's put it like this so even you can understand, If for example, He couldn't get it up, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

So EVEN I can understand?
LOL
I'll get you for this tuna

 

Okay.

 

You Americans are so confusing.

I should change my name to Thread Destroyer ...

 

Right now we're somewhere in 2014-15, not 2017 about to be 2018. There are many lean years in the near future. We have aging stars like A-Rob, Hicks, Mack. No cap space. No draft capital. Still have to find a competent HC and GM. The arrow points way down unless Fields is truly the messiah, and I'm afraid he's not.

Kmet is officially my most hated player on the team. I don't think he's anything more than a blocking TE. I'd rather see Horstead and Holtz getting more targets than him.

 

The cap space increase for next season allows the Bears to spend a year eating some dead cap and positioning themselves to spend in 2023 and beyond.

I think the opportunity to turn around quickly is there.

 

This is me right now. His heroics are leading to thing like the ints/fumbles/sacks and all is not lost by any means, but it's not a positive sign. I completely agree his receivers are doing him no favors (separation + drops), his OCs are absolutely letting him down, but he is *also* not progressing as well as I'd like to see by now.

You go on reddit and it bothers me, because there are a very few people that say he's a bust (which is beyond ridiculous to call this early) but you have the vast, vast majority saying there are no flaws in his game. My chief concern is that his talent will go to waste like so many others before him. The next coach *must* develop him. And I basically have zero faith whoever they get will work on these flaws and help mold his raw talent. When his talent is on display it is something to behold. But damn if I didn't have similar feeling about Trubisky at one point.

 

I wish I had your optimism.

I was thinking about this the other day. Everyone wants an offensive minded coach, because that's who "wins" in this league. Except Belichek, possibly the GOAT, is a defensive minded guy and he's rotated through a few good OCs. Some of our best years in recent memory were with Lovie, a defensive minded guy. I guess I'm just not buying it has to be an "offensive minded" coach to pair with Fields. I want the best guy they can get to be the Head Coach (who believe in Fields, sure, but more importantly can hire the right people to develop him and the defense). I want the best guys possible to be the DC and OC. I want that coach to be able to maximize peoples abilities, not force their fucking "system" down the throat of players that can't handle it.

Trestman/Tucker? Fuck right the fuck off. Nagy basically has a job right now because Fangio catapulted his shitty offense into the playoffs one year.

All of this comes from the top. I have zero confidence that they turn this around without large changes up top. And I agree with you they are going to keep Pace. I think they also probably keep Teddy. I think Nagy is the scapegoat, who should have been last year, and we hire someone who ends up being shitty.

I am just jaded as fuck with this team right now. I think they have some talented pieces and have been hit by the injury bug this year. But I also think they are fucking clueless on building a respectable franchise, as has been evident in the decades since Halas passed. Nothing I've seen has told me yet I should think otherwise.

 

FWIW i think Pace will somehow survive for another year. Not thats there's any discussion to be had here, the case against is utterly damning. A record way below .500 and 1 winning season in 6years with 0 playoff wins, that would've have been embarrassment enough to this fanchise and thats if they'd fired his bum ass LAST YEAR! He's now 1 in 7 and even further below .500, its an open and shut case without the open.

This punk ass ownership group is an embarrassment to themselves, the fanbase, the city and God. But my opinion of them is so low even now i dont expect them to get the decision right re Pace. I do truly despise George McCaskey. I despise all of them. They were all born with the winning lottery ticket in their hands and it doesnt matter how incompetent they are the team will keep making them money.


As far is when they get this shit turned around. At best, we're looking at 1 write off season. I pray its only 1. Could easily be more, depends on the hires. Well in a way it doesnt depend on the hires obviously, but, well....fuck it.

 

I think 3 years is right. 2 is doable, but this team just has too many obstacles. Not having a top 10 pick this year is very disadvantageous and there's just a mountain of needs, and that's before cuts or even trades. Two receivers under contract and on one's first play, he lines up offsides. You have a nice TE2 in Kmet who should just be a blocking specialist because he can't track. You'd have to find several 'bargain bin' guys who are castoffs but figure it out with you, like Akiem Hicks.

The Intierior OLine is its own problem. Daniels is a FA. Griese called him a 'building block' on Monday night but I just don't see that. Hell of a run mauler. Too up and down in pass protection all year. He'll get in the area of 8-12 a year which is mid-upper guard level leaguewide. Whitehair's cap hit is 12 and change (after he restructured but was initially 8-9 and change per year) but if designated a post-June 1st cut he saves a chunk. He's been especially uninspiring most of the year, so I get the conversation to be done with him too.

And I don't need to beat the horse dead further with Mustipher. Problem is, there's like 27 guys out of 53 under contract and the bears stand with ~45 mil in cap space (before final cap number set) walking into this offseason. Buying anybody like a CB2 or a Vet C Paradis from Carolina/Karras from NE/Jones from TN (the Philly Kelce and Jenson from TB aren't in the bears' price range), is going to be tough, unless you're ready for 1/3 or 1/4 of your team to be undrafted FA rookies.

The OLine has to be half of the identity change, with scheme being the other half. Not that Minnesota is anything special, but Stefanski and now Gary Kubiak's son both have run very similar run/pass mixes. That's where the bears need to go next. But this team, how stubborn and stupid with their history and marketing the 85 bears when we're approaching its 40 year anniversary--well, like Tuna said--I just expect them to make the wrong move like pay out the ass for a WR, draft one, ignore the OLine again, and get a nice defensive player to rebound that side of the ball before wondering why the team sucks again and cant offense.

Same. I think sweaty Teddy and Georgie both step in and stop him from trading up last April if Pace was in any kind of hot water. One of them stepped in this year, and initially it was reported as George telling Nagy to start Fields when Nagy wanted Dalton, who audibled out of over half of his plays when we saw Gingervitis play QB.

Arrow is up for me with Fields too. Lot of negativity, especially with fumbling and protecting the ball is paramount. That said, I mentioned Andrew Luck earlier and I think his ceiling is that. Eyes always downfield, sometimes to his detriment or to his advantage, though I believe Luck wasn't as athletic as Fields is now. Luck just got his ass kicked in whereas Fields escapes more.

Its year 1 and I'm more optimistic than when I was with Mitch. But just like Mitch, the bears spent a fortune on hopefully the QB of the future and have set him up for "success" by giving him 2 schemes in 2 years. I think he's good enough to overcome it. I also think the Bears brass is good enough to fuck up a 1 car funeral...

 

This is going to be awkward but I don't care. Hear me out.

Kmet is the guy that I dislike the most. He's sloppy and he doesn't seem to care about excelling at his sport.

I say arrows up for Fields too. I think (despite having zero football knowledge, understanding or clarity) he's someone who is going to become a legitimate and top-rated QB.

All I want for Christmas is for the universe to call Virginia Halas McCaskey home to glory (whatever the hell that means), Nagy to fall on his visor and strike himself a fatal blow in the doing and to see Pace GO SOMEWHERE/ANYWHERE ELSE.

 

Don't think that would be a wise move at all for the Bears. As much as ive been pulling for him the last few years, Daniels is no way a mid upper level G. $8-12mil per is def too much to be paying him. You'd be setting yourself up for a Cody Whitehair type bad contract. In fact in Whitehair's case i believe they paid him like $10mil per but he was just coming off a pro bowl alternate vote, so there was at least something to point to. Daniels isnt close to pro bowl level really.

If they could bring him back on maybe a 2-3year deal at 5, upper 5 max per, that would put him in the top 20-24 among Guards. I dont see how you give him any more tbh. Even that may be too high?