Looking Forward to the 2021 AFC North

I absolutely love Najee Harris (RB#1 for me) but there's no way.

 

lol Imagine having to defend crap posts you were called out about by attacking posters instead of actually defending your crap post. You're the Tenacious Faulk of the Browns board and everyone can see it. You're a comedy act.

I don't care about your rankings. I don't care about the probowl. I replied to a crap post of yours, one of your many. I commented on basically how stupid it is to repeatedly disrespect a QB by calling him a RB when he has flat out performed better than your QB, who you praise, at every statistic that measures QB performance outside of volume. Make up whatever excuse you want. Baker has had lots of coaching turnover, I'll agree to that. He's also had a hell of a supporting offensive cast. Lamar has had no coaching turnover since he's been a week 1 starter, but the front office hasn't made trades to acquire proven talent for him either. It balances out.

I know comprehension is very difficult, but your take just shows stupidity. If I'd have called Le'Veon Bell a WR for years because he caught a lot of passes while praising the RB(s) Baltimore had those years even though those RB(s) performed worse than Bell at running, I'd sound stupid. I'd sound like you.

Even your response here is stupid. He's not accurate but his career completion % is higher than Baker, who you call good. He has a higher passer rating.....PASSER RATING, from the pocket than Mayfield as well.

 

If I could choose between Ben in his prime or Mayfield & Jackson I would take Ben all day and every day . If given the choice to choose Mayfield or Jackson or a top five draft pick to replace Ben after this season I would take the draft pick , because I’m pretty sure neither one of those bums could get the Steelers to the promised land

I’d take Brady at his age now over all three of them. The only QB I would take over Ben in the AFCN is Borrows right now.

Mayfield is the equivalent of Tommy Maddox
And Jackson is the equivalent of Kordell Stewart.

have fun with that crap

 

Hmm... I'll just leave these here while you consider your own self-inflicted irony.

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Insults can be more than just name-calling but I suspect you know that.

Thank you for the compliment. One of my favorite things to do is make others smile.

... aaaaand we're back.

You can continue to throw your tantrum, but as long as you continue to behave this way, I will simply avoid addressing you. The troll ban lift lasted all of about five hours, it seems.

 

Again, many things to consider here...

Both been in the league for 3 years, Baker started in game 4 of their rookie seasons, Lamar started in game10 of their rookie season. Baker has 45 starts, Lamar has 37 starts

Career Attempts over 20 yards:
Baker - 152 = 3.3 per start
Lamar - 92 = 2.3 per start

Career Attempts over 40 yards:
Baker - 43 = .93 per start
Lamar - 18 = .45 per start

You want to throw out all of these percentages and comparisons, but they are two totally different QBs. I don't think that was a mind blowing revelation, but the numbers will never add up if they continue to do "the passing things" so differently. I'm sure if Baker all but eliminated his looks down the field and concentrated mainly on routes tun 15 yards or less, his completion percentage would go up significantly.

Here is another stat to go by, if that is what you want to use..

Vs. Top 10 defenses in 2020 (I don't have access anywhere to this as a career, if you do please share)
Lamar 27 of 49, 55.1%, 4 td, 3 int
Baker 92 of 154, 59.7%, 7 td. 4 int

Again, I don't know that any of these stats really mean anything in regards to how their overall careers will turn out. But since the conversation continues, there is more to the picture and in the end, everything should be taken into account, right?

 

Smh hilarious. You quote all that, but what were they in response to?

I simply respond in turn. Yeah, I'll always dish out what was given. Don't cry about getting what you dish out....although it does fall in line with all your other prepubescent behavior so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

Are you so blinded by hate and rage that you cannot see your own responses?

The entire first half of my quotes were your insults while I wasn't even online or engaging -- and they weren't just towards me. You spread your malice at everyone which says a lot about you as a person.

 

The funny thing is, I think as a group, we all like what Lamar Jackson brings to the table. It's just that, trying to pass him off as a better throwing QB than Baker by looking at his stat percentages is hilarious. I mean, with that line of thinking, Jarvis Landry is the NFL's all time greatest QB...Right?

 

This is only half the picture isn't it? We've established that Baker has more pass attempts, so that's going to include more deep pass attempts. What are the completion percentages of those attempts you listed? Now of course deep balls are low percentage throws by nature. But, for example, of Baker's 152 attempts over 20 yards, if he only completed 21 of them, meanwhile Lamar completed 45 of his 92, it still leans towards Jackson being more accurate, right? Since this is about accuracy, the completion percentage actually matters.

Here is another stat to go by, if that is what you want to use..

I did post Lamar's numbers vs top 15 defenses, but I can do top 10. I'll do 2019 and 2020 for both. Give me a few min

 

Imagine that... more insults.

I'm not sure who hurt you, but there's more to life than just hurling disparaging comments at strangers on the internet, friend. Here, try this: https://www.betterhelp.com/

 

What are you talking about? You did the same bs yesterday, making inflammatory remarks all afternoon, and then twisting everything sideways . SAS nailed it. Textbook troll behavior if there ever was.

 

So basically, you throw insults, get them back, then stop throwing insults so you can pat yourself on the back and say "why are you throwing insults at me"? That's.......amazingly funny lol. I like it. Keep it

 

Tell me, what inflammatory remarks did I make to you before the "burr up your ass" comment? Asking of the numbers upset you wasn't inflammatory was it? Definitely wasn't intended to be

 

I agree, I think we all like what Lamar brings as a QB. His overall addition as a QB. If you eliminate running completely, say for injury concerns, well then that would change for me.

 

It's like you just want to argue for arguments sake. It's exhausting. I never thought I'd be in a conversation like this about LJ. He's one of the most exciting players in the league to watch, but claiming him as a better passer than Baker is nonsense. Nobody buys that take. I try to compliment the guy (LJ), because I truly appreciate his game (which is well documented for years), and you come back "guns blazing" with insults about my intelligence or ability to research, and twisting words, and trying to paint things as they aren't.

I believe you are on an island with this take about LJ's passing prowess.

 

Vs Top 10 defenses in 2019
Lamar 81 of 122, 66.4%, 11 TDs, 4 INTs
Baker 148 of 253, 58%, 10 TDs 7 INTs

Also, your 2020 numbers for Jackson and Mayfield are off. You seem to have the Steelers and Washington, but you left off the Colts for Jackson. For Mayfield, you left off his 47 attempts in the 2nd Steelers game and his 21 completions against Indy his 2 TDs in Indy, and his 2 INTs against Indy. I'm assuming you are using the traditional team rankings for the top 10 defenses, correct me if I'm wrong.

Lamar should be 46 of 72 for 63.9%, 4 TDs, 3 INTs.
Baker should be 113 of 191 for 59.1%. 9 TDs, 6 INTs

Combined seasons
Lamar 108 of 171, 63.2%, 15 TDs, 7 INTs
Baker 261 of 444, 58.8%, 19 TDs 13 INTs

Overall there's a big difference in attempts. Baker does have 6 more games against top 10 defenses (Baker has had to play the Ravens and Lamar has sat out the 2nd Steelers game each season). I can honestly say that the completion percentages might change of they were on the same level. Without question, Lamar's TD percentage is higher. His INT % is also higher which I'll admit I was surprised about.

Ugh, 5 of Lamar's 7 combined INTs are against Pittsburgh. What's with Ravens QBs struggling against the Steelers early in their careers

 

Well, yeah. On the Browns board I likely will be on an island about that. I'm okay with it. But still, I didn't say anything really inflammatory until you posted your "burr up the ass" post, right?

Not being offensive TD, but look back. Before the up the ass comment, I asked if the numbers upset you (because you seemed bothered) and I used your exact criteria for another QB. Maybe it's me, but if I use a criteria to say Lamar was a better passer than Baker, then you used that same criteria against me for another QB, I'd still be consistent.

You used passing yards and passing yards per game to show Baker was better, but you don't want to use passing yards and passing yards per game for Winston. Applying your logic to other players to show why I don't agree isn't twisting words imo.

 

@TopDawg For the record, I apologize for anything that felt offensive before the "burr up your ass" comment. Nothing before that was meant to be offensive. Admittedly, things after were since I prefer to dish out whatever I get. But I'll accept that I could have set you off first without realizing it.

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Lamar is still the better passer thus far though

 

I have done a quick search, if you can find them, please share. I haven't been able to find those specific stats.

I do know this, there have been articles about Lamar's inaccuracy on balls down field, so you may not want to open this can of worms.

 

This is not only a gross over-simplification but also complete distortion of what happened. I'm not here to hold you accountable to your own actions, but just remember that you came to *our* boards and immediately began piling on and insulting me and others for a simple, tongue-in-check post I made.

When I did decide to respond to you (obviously, my first mistake) I indeed called you names back and stand behind it because you are loathsome. The manner in which you speak to and treat others is disgusting. You're obviously only here to troll, insult, and recycle the same bad-faith arguments over and over which is precisely why you were blocked to begin with. I'm putting you *back* on block now because I prefer to tune out the haters and any more time spent addressing you is simply fueling the fires of discord.

This is a tread about looking forward to the 2021 AFC North... so getting back on topic: I'm very much looking forward to sweeping the Ravens and their trash-ass quarterback.