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Doesn't this forum have mandatory 5 day ban for positing Jim Rome videos?

 

In other words . . . call it an incomplete pass?

If you're going to do that, then (if it's a 4th down play) just give the ball to the defense at the original LOS.

 

Can’t call it an incomplete pass if it started with a rushing attempt.

Which is why I wouldn’t give the ball back to the defense at the LoS. The play could have started as a handoff at the opposing 1 yard line.

 

Fair point. But we were talking about a passing play. (At least I thought we were.)

 

I jumped in late but, to my understanding, the discussion was about any play that ended with a fumble out of the end zone.

That would be the point of view I was looking at it from, so I apologize for any confusion.

 

No, Lyman is having a brain fart, we’re talking about fumbling out of the end zone.

 

The discussion should be about any play. My mistake.

 

Cause they caused the fumble?

 

You can sack a QB and cause a fumble....unless you recover it and it wasn't 4th down....the offense keeps the ball.

Causing a fumble doesn't guarantee you possession.

 

A lot of spirited back-and-forth on these issues.

I don’t so much care to take a side as I feel inclined to remind everyone that the particular instance that sparked this debate was bad in that the Cleveland fumble touchback through the end zone was caused by an illegal hit that went uncalled.

So in this case regardless of how you feel about the rule overall, Cleveland got F’d!

 

I don’t so much care to take a side as I feel inclined to remind everyone that the particular instance that sparked this debate was bad in that the Cleveland fumble touchback through the end zone was caused by an illegal hit that went uncalled.

So in this case regardless of how you feel about the rule overall, Cleveland got F’d!



Great Post Ruth.........

 

There’s bad calls for every team in pretty much every game now. It’s the new norm

 

No it isn't. There have been bad calls in every sporting event throughout history. There was no way to review them. Back in the day, you saw the play and that was it. Now? Instant replay, slow motion, a bunch of nit-pick rules, and a retired ref sitting in the booth. They get way more right than they get wrong. My Saints were a victim of that "non-call" a couple of years ago. Get pissed, get over it, and move on.

 

My Saints were a victim of that "non-call" a couple of years ago. Get pissed, get over it, and move on.

Who Dat lost the right to go the Super Bowl because of that call.......I know you were really mad but you have a good attitude.

Too Bad, So Sad, Move On.

 

Just saw a pretty rough story.
I guess one of Andy Reid’s kids was involved in a vehicle accident and has life-threatening injuries. Is he even present for the game on Sunday now?

Of course you feel bad for any parent in that situation, but this also just happens to be horrible timing on top of that

 

It’s his son that’s on the coaching staff, Britt Reid. And it’s Andy Reid’s grandson, Britt’s son, that has the severe injuries. Only 5 years old. Awful stuff.

Jobs and football take an extreme backseat. No such thing as good timing for something like this.

 

Of course you feel bad for any parent in that situation, but this also just happens to be horrible timing on top of that


Thoughts and Prayers are with the Reid Family .......that is Gut wrenching Ruth.

As hard as it is.....Andy Reid will be in Tampa on Sunday.

 

Complete the process of whatever movement is taking place at the time the play would currently be declared dead. So if the QB does the Brees move and in the process of going forward say he slips between some lineman and falls forward he must survive contact with the ground maintaining possession. Or as ive seen happen with Brees when he gets shoved back an instant after the ball breaks the plane, if he then goes to ground at the 2 or wherever he must again survive contact with the ground maintaining possession.

While both of those scenarios are possible for creating a turnover they are unlikely and therefore rare. The real effect this change would have is that since Brees theoretically is now still mid process even tho the ball just broke the plane, there is still a moment for the Defense to do something, namely slapping it out of the QB's hands etc which again i've seen happen. Possession can now be lost with this "Brees move" so to speak. That alone makes the move far more risky and probably removes entirely this bitch way of scoring a TD.

You mentioned RB's a few posts later and at what part can they still be tackled and when can they do a TD dance. With this idea they will have to maintain possession once they've crossed the goalline. They don't need to run out the back of the endzone, but its not hard establish they would've maintained possession if they take a step in the endzone untouched while still in possession. Yes, there is still that "new" moment now where the defender can try to do something if the RB is fighting to get over the line in some way. Better cover it up then or get your ass down, or accept the potential consequences.

Also, another minor quibble ive always had is RB's reaching over the plane and fumbling when the ball hits the ground but it doesnt matter cos its a TD. Thats gone too now cos with the new moment the play is alive that bit longer. Make the move if you want, go for the glory, but you better keep possession.

None of this is outlandish imo, in fact if anything it equalizes the emphasis on possession that already applies to WRs, but it is to the detriment of the Offense potentially which is why it'll never happen. TD, GOOD. No TD, BAAAAD.


Anyway it was just an idea (note: i've put this line on its own here for ease of quoting with a quippy "bad idea" response). You're welcome : ))))

 

ALL CALLS are based on possession at the time the ball is dead. I’m having a hard time with anyone that doesn’t think crossing the goal line is a dead ball.

As soon as a knee is down on the field of play as long as a pinky from a defender touched the player, the ball is dead, not after his full body weight bounces off the ground and he maintains possession. Edit: unless it is in the motion of making a catch of course, then it is continuation to establish possession.

Are you changing that rule also?

We aren’t just talking about changing a goal line rule here, you are talking about rewriting the dead ball section of the rule book.

 

The difference between the continuation rule is that possession hasn’t been established yet, it isn’t about continuing possession. Once it has been established it is about loss of established possession prior to the ball being dead. As soon as you can establish the play dead, the play is over.

The entire goal of football is to get the ball across the goal line while in possession by a player. As soon as that occurs, the play is dead.