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Discussion in 'NFL General Discussion' started by Willie, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    Definitely in my top 10 off the top of my head but I don't think you can understate what Donald brings as a DT and the damage he does down there on what feels like every snap. A rush linebacker should have a lot of better numbers in those categories. T.J. had a great year but I feel as it's become the norm people aren't appreciating what Donald does and how and where he does it.
     
  2. RTTRUTH Legend Manager Colts

    My thoughts on Brady for MVP is simple. Regardless of his numbers, when’s the last time that team made the playoffs?
    If he did nothing else, he got them believing in their chances
     
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  3. KilkennyDan Let's Go Buffalo! Patreon Champion Sabres Bills Kilkenny

    Brady was the magnet that attracted a lot of talent to TB. That’s important and helped the Bucs a lot.

    But he was far from solely responsible for TB reaching the playoffs. Ultimately, the MVP is an individual award, and the Bucs’ success was a collaborative effort. I do not think he’ll get MVP, and I certainly think others are more worthy.
     
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  4. Jeanquev Legend Steelers

    I think that applies to mahomes as well already
     
  5. LAOJoe Assistant Coach Manager Patreon Silver Maple Leafs Eagles

    I would highly disagree. Players voted him as their Offensive Player of the Year and I think everyone is still on his nuts for being the next possible GOAT. He is great and may be the goat but he isn't underrated. In a bubble of this regular season I think he's been overrated and that is hard to do.
     
  6. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Mahomes can’t be overrated. He has the highest QB rating in the regular season and post season. Both happen to be very close ar 106.5 and 106.6. He has won the NFL MVP and a SB MVP in two different seasons. Those are the only two seasons where either of those awards have been available to him because they are his starting seasons where awards have been handed out. He’s playing at the best rate for a QB ever and people say he’s overrated. Hard to be overrated when you have played better than any QB in NFL history. He won his first of what is sure to be many titles already too.
     
  7. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Report: Deshaun Watson wants out of Houston, no matter who the coach is

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    Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson was reportedly unhappy this offseason when he suggested that Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy should interview for the team’s head-coaching vacancy and the Texans left him off their list. But just because the Texans later reversed course and did interview Bieniemy, that doesn’t mean Watson can be placated.

    According to Chris Mortensen of ESPN, Watson wants out of Houston and that won’t change, regardless of who the Texans hire to be their next head coach.

    That could make it a tough sell for the Texans to get any top candidate to take the job. If Watson isn’t going to be there, the Texans job is one of the least attractive NFL job openings in years. The Texans are a bad team without much in the way of draft capital or salary cap space to get better. The only thing that would make the job attractive to a coach is that Watson, one of the NFL’s best quarterbacks, is there.

    If the Texans offer Bieniemy the job, he might decide he’s better off remaining in Kansas City, where Patrick Mahomes is running his offense, than going to Houston, where he doesn’t know who his quarterback would be.

    It’s been an ugly offseason in Houston, and the situation does not appear to be improving.

    NBC
     
  8. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Get used to the "New Normal".

    Where a 25 year old player with only 4 years of professional experience demands the owner of the team that pays him millions who to hire as the Head Coach or he'll take his ball and go somewhere else.
     
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  9. Jeanquev Legend Steelers

    I wouldnt use underrated i would use underappreciated. Things he has done early in his career already has some people going ho hum about the season he had this year. You wanting to list him as overrated is proof of that. Its just my opinion of course but if feel like some people are already starting to hold him to an impossible standard because of how good he has already been.
     
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  10. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Source: Aaron Rodgers wants a new contract

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    Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was sending a message to the team with his post-game comments after Sunday’s loss to the Buccaneers in the NFC Championship. The message likely had multiple tentacles.

    Here’s one. Per a league source, Rodgers wants a new contract.

    Rodgers should want a new contract. He makes $33.5 million per year. He’s going to win the 2020 NFL MVP award. And he’s getting into the later years of his last deal, which will pay him far less in comparison to other quarterbacks.

    He’s due to make $22.35 million in 2021, $25.5 million in 2022, and $25.5 million in 2023.

    Rodgers currently ranks fifth in average new-money value, behind Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes ($45 million), Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson ($39 million), Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson ($35 million), and Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger ($34 million).

    Rodgers earns the same amount as Rams quarterback Jared Goff. Which means that Rodgers is grossly underpaid, Goff is grossly overpaid, or both. (Both.)

    Rodgers has a cap number in excess of $37 million for 2021, but a new contract easily could reduce it. A new deal also would reflect the team’s commitment to Rodgers over the next few years, based on the guaranteed payments and the cap consequences arising from cutting or trading him.

    If Rodgers officially asks for a new contract, he’ll definitely get one thing: Clarity as to where he stands. A new deal means renewed vows. No new deal means the clock will still tick toward a potential, if not inevitable, divorce.

    While Rodgers may want more (especially as it relates to efforts to improve the team), one thing he wants — and deserves — is a new contract.

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  11. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    My rant/editorial...

    He’s (Rodgers) due to make $22.35 million in 2021, $25.5 million in 2022, and $25.5 million in 2023... and he wants what the 'other' guy gets. I know its a business, but these type of desires are based on jealousy and greed, but thats todays game, I guess.

    I might be nit-picking, but i cant imagine this stuff that goes on... and in my opinion, it has a potential to ruin the game and flat out become dangerous to the stability of the League. I know owners are rolling in cash money, but when you are set to make those kind of figures, I cant wrap my head around asking for more.

    Ive made 10-20 dollars per hour working in a factory and some idiot walks by pushing a broom making 3 times my income. I didnt complain or throw a hissy-fit... I simply counted my own blessings, which is something a few professional athletes ought to consider.
     
  12. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    Get out of here with that s***. These kids get DRAFTED in the first place. Were you calling it the "new normal" when Eli was demanding a trade before he ever played for a team? Come on, now.
     
  13. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I'm a "nose to the grindstone" kind of guy, who has always gotten paid less than I was worth, including my current job.

    That said, there are 32 starting QB's in the world, and even less that are capable of winning games. You take every dollar you're worth in any job, let alone one that is so crucial to a business worth billions. Now, you want to discuss the escalating QB value league-wide? I'm good with that discussion. I would point to the league rules that have just made the QB more important each year. But that's a different conversation. A guy trying to get his money while he's playing? No one should have a problem with that.

    Now don't EVER make me defense Aaron Rodgers again. I have to go vomit.
     
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  14. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    1. Of course they get drafted in the 1st place. But it's their choice to declare for the draft and it's their choice to sign the contract.
    2. Frankly, I was disgusted over the Eli Manning trade demand.
    3. Same when John Elway said he wouldn't sign with the Colts if they drafted him. But that was his choice.
     
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  15. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    I liked your post and agree to an extent, but in my opinion... Rodgers already has his money, agreed to a contract, but wants more because of what someone else is getting. Just rubs me the wrong way. Had he taken the Peckers to the promised land... maybe then and maybe only then, he can validate talking about a pay raise, lol.
     
  16. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    "It's their choice to enter into a closed system where they have no choice of employer, contracts aren't guaranteed, etc". I get that it's easy for us to look at them and say, "You get paid millions", but let's not divorce that from the same freedom and job market most people would prefer. I'm a champion of employees having more power, and it floors me when people who aren't running billion dollar companies disagree."

    Also, my comment about Eli wasn't whether or not you had a problem with that, it's whether or not it was "the new normal" then or now. Because this isn't new, and fear mongering over slippery slopes / new normals is usually uncalled for.
     
  17. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I hate Aaron Rodgers. Hate him. As a person, a football player, all of it. But that's exactly how people make more money - comparing to the market / peers, and then demanding more. And frankly, if everyone's salaries were made public the way they are in the NFL, we'd all be better off because we'd be doing the same thing as Rodgers.

    And again, f*** I hate this, but - the Packers haven't been losing because of Rodgers. They would be in a Super Bowl is there was a better team on the field, not a better QB.
     
  18. Jeanquev Legend Steelers

    And in most jobs they would laugh at you tell you to shut up and get back to work.
     
  19. TopDawg Legend

    Nice. Well at least he's no Urban Meyer....
     
  20. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Most people don't have the athletic ability that gives them the opportunity to enter a job market where they know in advance that every employer uses contracts that are intended to restrict player movement -and- that the Players' Union that they would be joining has negotiated and signed off on the content of those contracts.

    Bully for you ! Would it surprise you that, in my lifetime, I have run a multi-million dollar company with three manufacturing plants and almost 5,000 employees? While I did not own the company, the owners entrusted the day to day operation of their company to me because I had over 30 years of experience in virtually every facet of the organization. Only a fool would turn a deaf ear to people who actually do the work and have ideas as to how to do the work better, faster, safer or more efficiently. They are the people with the true expertise. But a QB with 4 years of experience in the NFL has zero experience in seeking out individuals for a front office or Head Coaching position.

    At the time that Elway and Manning puffed up and made their pre-draft demands . . . that wasn't normal. Top 5 projected draft picks absolutely knew they would be drafted by a shitty team. It didn't matter. Most of them reported to camp and worked their ass off to get better and improve the team.
     

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