Bears Beat Texans Thoughts

Discussion in 'Chicago Bears' started by blang84, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. blang84 Legend Bears

    As soon as the game starts, it's damn near impossible for me to root for a loss, even though I believe that's what's best for the team in the long run. This win won't mean a damn thing to me, unless we somehow manage to beat both the Packers and Vikings. I don't like our chances to beat the Vikings but we do have a small chance. I will bet my entire net worth that we will lose to the Packers UNLESS they are resting their starters having locked up the #1 seed, in which case I will still bet $500 that we lose the game outright. But the win yesterday could really bite us in the ass if no changes happen on Black Monday.

    Mitch feasted on a defense that is awful, with terrible game awareness. Good for him but he still sucks.

    Monty has an 80 yard run on his first touch and still only ends up with 11 carries? Everything about this playcalling whether it's Nagy or Lazor is stupid and exists to piss you off. Although there is a potential silver lining to this in that Monty is being so underworked in his first couple seasons that he may be more productive later in his career than most RBs, assuming we extend him at some point.

    We got a lot of sacks yesterday but they didn't really come from the 2 guys taking up all our cap space. Mack had zero sacks and zero QB hits in the last 4 games before yesterday, 3 against our divisional rivals. Mack needs to be traded for any draft picks in any round at this point, assuming a team is actually willing to pay him with that backloaded contract.

    I'm fine with bringing Mitch back as a backup, if he accepts that role and a very low salary. Otherwise, sayonara.

    I still hate this team. Fire everyone. Also, someone needs to go all Kyle Farnsworth and take a baseball bat and destroy whatever contraption enables Club Dub to happen.
     
  2. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    There was plenty of good, and lots to dislike.

    The good: Whitehair, Mustipher, and Bars (when he knew what the snap count was). Successful runs went through these three. Pass protection in the middle was great. I'm used to seeing bears OL shoved back, and it happened often when Watt was over Ifedi, even with chipping help.

    That was what I wanted to see from Monty. 11 carries are fucking criminal and during the game thread/game I noted that I saw Nagy with a playsheet. Was Lazor calling plays yesterday? It really didn't feel like it. The 80 yard TD run was a nice zone run block pull by Bars who just sealed the DT with Mustipher that Nagy has used before.

    Arob was nice to see while we still have him. Mooney looks like a star. Kmet can fucking play--what a crazy fucking concept--and you can tell there's a chip on his shoulder when he carried a LB and 2 DBs one big gain stretched for a 1st. Graham was effective enough (at this stage of his career end zone fades in 1 on 1's should be his big time on the field/let Kmet be the guy who stretches the field--because he doesn't go down on contact.

    Front 7 on D was great. Trevathan spying Watson when Roquan is the superior athlete made me scratch my head. Watson knew when Danny T was spy he could run. Akiem Hicks is still a beast, it was nice to see Mack. Mario Edwards is a guy I wanted to keep short term, but he's probably priced himself out of the bears' budget.

    Cairos Santos needs a payday.

    The bad: Robert Quinn and Ejax are bozos. Edge Rusher is a need. I already opined about the garbage at the tackle spots. Megaleg is a turd.

    I thought Zambrano was the guy who assaulted the gatorade cooler with the bat. Farnsworth beat Paul Wilson up, which is cool because I got his autograph two weeks later.

    You kind of hit the nail on the head already--but who is taking Mack's contract? Who has the money and dire need to go for broke? I think Mack is the hardest to trade. He's still due 40-41 mil guaranteed, makes 26 mil next year and 27 in 2022 (assuming his financial can isn't kicked down the road).

    Hicks and Fuller are easier, and I'd start there. Hicks wont get you much--probably a mid round but Fuller probably gets you a package with a 2nd or even a 1st.

    I try and trade Ejax but he's sucked this year and makes big bucks next.

    I could...but ideally there's a new coach who has no need for him and instead goes a low-cost FA option or just Foles until a 2nd-5th round pick can play. Mitch makes too many dumb throws for me, but when nobody is pressuring him he can sure sling a 3 yards pass...

    I think its unlikely because Pace fucked the payroll by how he reworked Foles. You're stuck with Nick next year. Keeping him is 6.6 mil but if you cut him you eat 14 mil in dead cap regardless if he's a pre/post June 1st cut.

    Think you or BWW asked in the game thread 'what is his market' and its for a team looking for a bridge. I can see Minnesota going in on him and a draft pick while moving on from Cousins. They're in cap hell this offseason (per spotrac, they enter the offseason 5 and change mil over the cap already with 40 guys under contract).

    Fire everyone.
     
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  3. blang84 Legend Bears

    Wasn't it Farnsworth who destroyed Sosa's salsa boombox? That's kind of what I had in mind for Club Dub.

    I'm probably alone in this but I don't want to trade Fuller, unless the haul is too good to refuse.
     
  4. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    Ryan Dempster.

    Its not ideal because he's still on the right side of 30 and he's a beast--but corner has become a premier position. Next year is Fuller's 'poison pill' year financially, so another option is reworking his money/extending him--which I wouldn't complain about either.

    If you're going to try and get more draft capital/more picks in the early rounds, Fuller is probably one of the only guys you can with. If you can find a sucker for Mack, you're not getting better than a mid-round pick and you're probably eating some of his money. Hicks you may get a taker on his 1 year and 10 mil, but you're not getting a prime pick. While I hate the OLine I don't want to deal Daniels or Whitehair--they could but now you're set back an interior OL. Mooney could, but you can't entertain that, especially if ARob is gone.

    Even if you tag Robinson with intent to trade, you probably don't get much.

    If the bears go into 'blow it up' with new management, Fuller isn't someone you keep to try again in a 2-3 year turnaround.
     
  5. EvertonBears M.V.P. Bears

    As far as im concerned none of what they did on either side of the ball even existed yesterday. I really dont give a crap what they achieved against the worst D in the league. In fact if you think about it, a good offense would've dropped at least a 40 burger on the Texans D the way they played. They were that bad, yet all the Bears O could put up was two second half FGs.

    Sure the front7 kicked some ass, but i never even heard of most those skills position players it was that bad. Until right before the end Duke Johnson was the leading receiver.

    Do it against a D that isnt the worst in the league, and an O that isnt crippled with injuries, THEN i might give a shit. But probably not cos i am beyond past believing in Mitch and this entire coaching staff/front office.

    Fire everyone.
     
  6. patg006 M.V.P. Bears



    God dammit...

    was just starting to like the guy too. Idiot.
     
  7. blang84 Legend Bears

    That sucks. Gotta have zero tolerance for that type of behavior, if it's true. Let's see how it plays out.
     
  8. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    197 of Trubisky's 267 yards sunday came after the catch.

    Trubisky fanboys are jizzing all over themselves right now but that game is exactly what it appeared to be....a bad team beating a worse team.

    What that stat above does show is that Nagy's offense can work when executed correctly. But what it also highlights is Mitch isn't a QB that can go vertical with any consistency.

    I walked away from this game feeling nothing. It was fun to see them win a game....but it doesn't mean anything in the long run.

    I don't know how this game made McCaskey feel. But it shouldn't have changed anything. Pace and Nagy should both be gone. At the very least Pace and Nagy is a lameduck under a new GM.
     
  9. EvertonBears M.V.P. Bears

    If this is true then standard policy is in effect. Dont want no scumbags on my team. Cut his punk ass.
     
  10. tunafat Franchise Player Bears

    ... and take Wims with you
     
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  11. vvarder Franchise Player Bears

    This honestly is our team motto here on out. But I am concerned that while we believe this, wins change everything. Look at the remaining schedule, the Vikings (this time with Trubs, who feasts on shitty defenses), the Jags, who are awful this year, and the Packers who will very likely be resting their starters. It's not inconceivable for this team, as shitty as they are, to win out, and if the Cardinals lose one of their remaining games, that might give the Bears the edge in the tie breakers (no head to head, tied conference record, but common games is where I get confused, because the common games are divisional opponents which we each play twice - but I think the tie breaker there is the Panthers game that we won where they lost. For example we split with the Lions, they lost to the Lions, which of our lions games to they pick? Or is it a percentage, so we're 50% and they're 0%?). If they sneak into the playoffs do you think they clean house here? I don't. But they'd have to win out here which is still unlikely.

    More likely is a 1-2 or 2-1 finish, rounding the season out at the very mediocre 7-9 to 8-8, which means there's still a chance of no changes and middling draft pick. Quintessential Bears.



    The Trubisky truthers are all up in arms over this one, but it paints a pretty accurate picture of what we see. He lights up the bullshit teams, and when it's a big stage/good team he shits the bed all over the place. It is clear though that he's been better than Foles, which means I don't know what they do for next year. Foles contract is a pure albatross and how much would you even sign Trubs for?

    Your stat here makes sense to me too, given how ridiculously many screens it felt like there were in this game. So many screens left or right that ended up with big gains. And the 80 yard run, was a run from shotgun. I don't think the playcalling was all that much better. It's just that it worked more often than it does against better teams. I get why Nagy and company are so confused every other week, because it's basically, "why isn't the same stuff I'm doing not working when there's talent and scheme to stop it?".

    Someone even tried to make the point that Trubs was actually good in the Packers game counting garbage time equally with where he was completely ineffective. Idiots.

    But congrats to the Bear on the win, no doubt it's better than watching them lose.
     
  12. tunafat Franchise Player Bears

    V2 I gotta give you props my man the fact that put this much thought into this very team means you are a much better fan than me, and now my brain hurts.
    Not everyone for the love of tacos can we just build the team around the kicker?
    I mean seriously, how Bears would that be?
     
  13. blang84 Legend Bears

    Worst possible scenario is that we win the next 2 games unimpressively and still have a mathematical chance at the playoffs as we head into week 17. Just enough to get everyone's hopes us before we get raped by the Packers again. But also just enough to restore McCaskey's faith in Pace/Nagy.
     
  14. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    We will probably lose the game on a hail mary where our safety just completely forgets to cover the receiver.
     
  15. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    Erin said packers are playing for the #1 seed, and Packers/Saints are both 10-3. Problem is, Packers have the tiebreaker with a week 3 or 4 win against NO and the Saints get the chefs this weekend before Carolina and Minny to close out 2020. Green Bay gets Tennessee and Carolina before the bears.

    If its decided by week 17, Bears may make a game of it against scrubs/Jordan Love or they may make the kid look like he's the 3rd generational QB in a row (personally, I hope he Shizers). I'm with Blang. I see a blowout unless GB wraps up the #1 seed by then.

    Leave tacos out of this.

    Fire everyone.
     
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  16. vvarder Franchise Player Bears

    It's also the most likely scenario to be honest. Splitting the season with the Vikings and beating the terrible Jags.

    Hmm, good call, I did not see the Peckers get the Titans which will be a good game. The Saints could lose to the Chiefs as well, but if they win it looks pretty likely they'll need to play starters week 17.

    So separate question then, say they do play starters Week 17 and the Bears play spoiler (at the least) and win that one, would that redeem anything for you on this team? I admit it would ease some of my hatred.

    Fire Everyone.
     
  17. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    I'll never complain about a win over the Packers. The problem is--even if the bears fuck it up and the win is meaningless because they're out of the playoff picture--have to think Nagy and Pace will certainly be retained.

    I just don't see a win happening if the peckers are playing their starters/playing for the #1 seed because they don't have it wrapped up by then. I see the Packers dropping 40+ again while the bears get some signature garbage-time points to make it look less embarrassing if you weren't watching.

    Fire Everyone.
     
  18. blang84 Legend Bears

    This.

    Remember in 2017 they started some garbage QB when Erin was hurt who couldn't beat anyone else but of course outplayed Mitch and beat us. I'd be happy to beat them if they lined up a bunch of JV high schoolers. That's how much I hate them and how desperate we are.
     

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