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Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Campbell, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    If they won’t enact term limits for all political positions then they should remove the president limits and let Trump stay in office until he dies
     
  2. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Yes...let's become Russia. Great idea.
     
  3. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    It doesn’t make sense to only limit one position
     
  4. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    Okay, but it did, and now we are. No doubt the EC needs fixing, but the court sure as hell does, too. Like Ev said above, given the most recent appointments, that's going to mean a few decades or a few terrible tragedies before anything changes based on the current system. There's no reason to just abide by a court that was ALREADY packed by one party exploiting the current system.
    There will need to be additional protections and measures for the supreme court, given that judges are appointed and not open to citizen's vote, but this seems like the easiest and most effective fix for Congress at the very least. This should already exist, since most of the country supports it, but the people who would need to pass that legislation are the same people whose jobs it would taking away... Ugh.
     
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  5. blang84 M.V.P. Bears

    I don't want to live in a country where the Court has been packed with a bunch of alt-right religious fanatics who have overturned Roe, overturned Obamacare, overturned gay marriage rights, make judgements like Citizens United, expand gun rights, reject any sort of environmental or emissions protections. Even if it's for 4 years or 8 years. "Meaningful reform" won't be worth it if we have to live through that.
     
  6. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    Both of them will. Bet.
     
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  7. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    It makes less sense to say anyone should be president until they die.
     
  8. EvertonBears M.V.P. Bears

    Hahahaha!
     
  9. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I mean... do you know who's been appointed to the Supreme Court already? I'm not saying ALL that's going to happen, but... the current court isn't NOT going to do those things...

    We're already at a packed court. The Federalist Society made sure it got several ideologues on the court. They don't NEED more, so... I'm not sure there's much room to get farther right here that won't happen anyway with the current system in the next few decades.
     
  10. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    This.

    You had me until this last line. A LOT of American democrats (who are just center-right Republicans/RINOs who rebranded because the far-right/Tea Paryt overtook the party after Dubyah in 2008/now they're living and dying by Trump) are perfectly fine with the court the way it is. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh thus far have voted something like 90%+ with the 'liberal' justices on things. Coney Barrett will be more of the same. Make the common folk fear about Roe v Wade (which isn't getting struck down) while behind closed doors; everybody from Kodak making medicine (when they are a disposable 1980s camera) to Verizon/Comcast/AT&T/select few big dogs divvying up in the name of their monopoly--because of millions of campaign contributions/retirement money flow in. The difference between the modern party of Trump and Democrats is just aesthetics/who can yell the loudest on Maddow or Hannity.

    The Dems just sat there. Obama on numerous occasions could have put Merrick Garland on the court when Mitch McConnell was adjourning the Senate for month-long vacation after month-long vacation. The constitution says President picks the SC justice "with guidance from the Senate." Obama could have, but didn't.

    And that's the difference between Democrats and Republicans in America. One side plays to win. The other side isn't even bringing a knife to a gunfight, they're bringing a covered casserole.

    To your point, if this election is too close to call--you fucking bet they'll pull a 2000 Florida with Bush and Gore and just hand it to Trump.

    If dems get a majority and were smart (dont count on the latter), they'd impose term limits immediately and have Biden sign it. Getting money out of politics will be much more difficult, and cant happen until after term limits are imposed.
     
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  11. blang84 M.V.P. Bears

    Gorsuch and Cavanaugh have actually had fairly moderate rulings on most of their cases. They aren't extreme in the least. I actually don't mind them, so far.

    ACB, yeah, doesn't look promising, but we'll see. Still better than a majority of judges literally being a bunch of alt-right fucktards.
     
  12. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    The only way to do it.

    I fuck with "poll watchers" or whomever these clowns are who tell me to vote one way. I tell them I'm voting for the other guy.
     
  13. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    I'm actually better with them in there than I would be with far left leaning judges.

    Obviously ACB could be a wild card. But I don't think we have a really big issue with the makeup of the court as it is now.
     
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  14. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Nice.
     
  15. blang84 M.V.P. Bears

    Agreed. It's a lot of leftist + media hysteria. The way I see it, ACB replaces Scalia as a staunch conservative. Libs still have Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan. Roberts, Cavanuagh and Gorsuch have proven to be moderate swing votes.
     
  16. Vancouver Volcanos Franchise Player

    which explains why their policies seem so dead brained

    Typical comment coming from a Dead Brain.........

    abby normal.jpg
     
  17. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I'm not counting on that continuing. They've now got a substantial majority, the people who put them on the court have debts to collect, and there's nothing in their personal histories telling me they won't be partisan / extreme in nature. I look to this most recent ruling on voting to support my pessimism.

    I don't want a swinging court each cycle, the same way I don't want a swinging government. Extreme partisanship and a lack of long-term planning and execution have killed this country. But a supreme court presently beholden to broken politics isn't an acceptable alternative, either. I don't think expanding the courts is the right answer, but if it leads to the right one, I prefer it over the answer we have now.

    Edit: I 1000% agree I don't want the supreme court to get more partisan. I just think we're already past the breaking point, and the current court isn't worth saving.
     
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  18. patg006 M.V.P. Bears

    Nothing says 'nonpartisan' like the Heritage Foundation website's first line of 'our mission is to promote and build conservative policies.'

    Who needs a merit system?
     
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  19. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    Yup. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were all hand-picked by the same conservative group that's been pouring money into American politics for years. I'm not ready to believe that all three of their nominees are going to disappoint them now that they're in...
     
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  20. blang84 M.V.P. Bears

    Or maybe, just maybe, there's a small chance they will actually do their job as objective judges and rule accordingly. Let's not say the sky is falling until it's actually falling.
     

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