NFL - Random Opinions

It was a fun day talking about a bunch of nonsense for the most part...Ahhh PFF. See what happens?

Stats be damned! I'm pretty sure we all know a good QB when we see it.....

 

The discussion really doesn't have to be focused on who is 'good' or 'bad'.

Every player has holes in their game and we started this conversation off by exploring some of those issues.

Brady is going to go down as one of, if not the, best to every take a snap behind center.

But that doesn't mean he is without flaws, and one of those happens to be an inability to overcome a sustained pass rush that is getting to the target more often than not. It shows up in both the single play and the cumulative affect, so it's just a part of who he is as a player. It doesn't mean he's not clutch or can't overcome it at times, but the best way to disrupt any traditional pocket passer is to move him off his spot and break up his timing.

Then you can take a player like Dak Prescott. He's definitely one of the better players at dealing with oncoming rushers in the league, but the other holes in his game are ever present, making it so that his ceiling is pretty clearly defined. He will beat the pass rush and make plays by extending the time to open windows, but force him to sit in the pocket and thread the needle, make quick decisions and anticipate openings, and you will likely force him into some obvious mistakes.

 

Any passer. Smash the running/mobile QB and he's going to make mistakes too....

 

If he can evade the rush he has a chance to make the defense pay for coming at him, the same as the pocket passer does.

The difference is in the athletic ability and whether or not the quarterback is aware enough to sense where the pressure is coming from and how to avoid it.

If a mobile quarterback doesn't have awareness, all that athleticism ends up wasted far too often.

But a pocket passer can be extremely aware and still greatly susceptible to the rush by simply not being swift enough to move and still deliver quickly.

 

Totally agree..

My thoughts on the mobile QB vs. the pocket passer, are well documented. If you have a solid/smart QB that can also run and make plays with his feet, it adds an entirely new facet...It changes everything, and I would imagine it to be a defensive coordinators worst nightmare.

 

In keeping with this theme - How do you personally categorize Baker Mayfield?

 

At this point, I can't give an opinion on him without getting massacred.

But who cares. I think Mayfield will absolutely get paid. He's BY FAR the best QB we've had since #19. Feel free to insert your joke, it's understandable.... I know it's been a train wreck around here......Bottom line is, Baker Mayfield is a really good QB. How good remains to be seen, but I think he'll be great. There's a reason why he was my #1 QB in that draft. steady developement under Stefanski is what you will see. Love him or hate him (as many do), nobody can deny that Mayfield is a gamer. He has a certain quality that players seem to feed off of in the right circumstance and when he gets rolling, it's fun to watch. I genuinely think the injury to Beckham will help Mayfield. No more feeling obligated to get the ball to #13. He can just relax and sling it, similar to how it was was in his first season. Dude was perfect on Sunday, after the O'dell injury.....Sky is the limit for Baker. People always doubt him, and he always proves them wrong. Lot's of heart, and plenty of ability. My kinda QB.

 

Holy shit, that's a bit of a run away from what I was asking. lol

I was wondering how you viewed him in a categorical sense, as in mobile, pocket, or another label.

 

lol! I went all in on that...

Bake can move. He's not running away from speedy defenders, but he has plenty of functional mobility and enough speed to be....well you know;

dangerous...

 

I'm taking it that you classify him under mobile then, with pocket and mobile being the two categories you look at?

The reason I ask is that I have 4 categories I put predraft passers in:

1. Traditional Pocket Passer
2. Non-Traditional Pocket Passer
3. Mobile Quarterback
4. Rushing Quarterback

I had Baker listed as non-traditional predraft, even though a lot of people consider him a mobile quarterback.

To me, Mayfield fits into the type of passer that doesn't have enough raw athleticism to consistently produce with his feet and throws best when given a clean lane and a 1, 2 read scenario.

To give some examples -

Traditional Pocket Passers - Brady, Goff, Ryan, Cousins

Non-Traditional Pocket Passers - Mayfield, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Burrow

Mobile Quarterback - Wilson, Murray, Watson, Allen

Rushing Quarterback - Jackson, Vick, Cunningham

Cunningham is interesting because he morphed as he got older to fit into the Non-Traditional category. That's a bit of a rarity.

Jackson has already moved towards the Mobile category, and if he continues to improve as a passer and the rushing aspect becomes less of his identity his career longevity and production are going to be impressive.

 

Do ya think? lol! If he ain't mobile, I don't know what is....

I love the QB categories Tim. And I agree with how they are slotted...

Quick feet and balance are huge for any QB. Mayfield has that covered easily........

 

I'm not sure if this is a typo or not but either way it's funny.

 

lol! well why should Irish pay for everything?

Go dawg.

 

I've been watching this conversation with great interest.

Me ?? I want a pocket QB. Run if you have to and get rid of the ball. Running QB's tend to get squashed.

 

This is why Josh Allen has been looking impressive.

 

I watched that Jets and Bills game. At times I thought Allen was going to get himself killed.

Ideally, I would want my QB to not try so much on the ground unless he's quite sure, I just want him around for the next play. Josh just goes into RB mode at times and Im thinking someone is going to take his head off.

 

He needs to protect himself better that’s for sure. Allen is a good running QB, I just don’t see sustainable offense with running QBs because eventually they will get leg injuries that will stop them from running, will they be able to make plays from the pocket or will they just be stuck in the mud? If a QB like Lamar Jackson can’t run he becomes much easier to defend against his passing game. The threat of him running has to be there to open up the passing game.

 

Well Brady is already proof you can be bad against pressure and win hardware....so why are you surprised?

Can't believe your panties are still bunched over metrics.

 

I disagree.

 

What this really circles back to is you feel someone insulted your guy because they actually had the nerve to say Baker Mayfield isn't on track to the greatest QB of all time.