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Discussion in 'NFL General Discussion' started by Campbell, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Indeed.
     
  2. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    The problem with stats like under pressure and facing the blitz is they only are on a fraction of the plays and that fraction can be as highest or lowest in the league. If you’re only blitzed at one time and get destroyed on that play then you would be the worst in the league against the blitz. But the fact it was only one play means it probably didn’t even make a difference in the game.
     
  3. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Yep. But metrics show there are other guys who can still perform even with the pressure in their face. That's the point being made here.
     
  4. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    The problem with stats like under pressure and facing the blitz is they only are on a fraction of the plays and that fraction can be as highest or lowest in the league. If you’re only blitzed at one time and get destroyed on that play then you would be the worst in the league against the blitz. But the fact it was only one play means it probably didn’t even make a difference in the game.
     
  5. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    It doesn't make the stat garbage.

    It means a great team with great coaching and perhaps the greatest ever under center found ways to win when it mattered most.
     
  6. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    The stats beach showed also showed percentage of plays under pressure. So the metrics shared are extremely educating and allow you to see a pretty clear picture.
     
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  7. TopDawg Legend

    Well then, evidently Kyler Murray is going to be a bad QB under pressure, all the way to the MVP.....So take it for what it's worth.
     
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  8. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Wrong. I've already posted 2018-20 once. Here it is again.

    2018 QB Pressure.png

    2018 QB Pressure.png 2019 QB Pressure.png
     

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  9. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    how is that wrong? you took a 3 year window that i didnt mention
     
  10. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Your using two different stats. At no point was Brady the best against pressure. Which is what I've shown in the past three seasons.
     
  11. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

  12. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    i was using the same stat the entire time, which was against the blitz and we've gone over that.

    the image above only further proves false narratives and how stats can be manipulated.
     
  13. TopDawg Legend

    Perhaps not, but Jamies Winston sure is great in the face of pressure.

    I mean, who needed a stat sheet to know that?
     
  14. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    lol, well played. maybe they should just throw crab legs at him instead of pressuring.
     
  15. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Jesus this is not difficult. You can use blitz all day if you like. That's not what we were discussing. We were discussing his success when pressured - and not all blitzes result in pressure. In fact, the majority of blitzes dont't result in pressure, often times because a really good QB like Brady can identify where the blitz is coming from and adjust the protection to account for the blitzer.

    Tom Brady is really good against the blitz! Agreed, 100%.

    He is not good when he is pressured, whether that's 4 rushers or fucking 11 rushers. When someone pressures him consistently, he doesn't have the same success.
     
  16. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    you said that i was using 2 different stats, to which i responded that i was not, i was using the same stat (blizes) over 2 seasons.
    i also provided an image (link below) that shows that in 2017 Tom Brady had the #1 passer rating vs pressure.

    there is no reason to launch a personal attack on Jesus, regardless of how much football you watch.
    you should probably calm down beachbum.


    https://www.pff.com/news/final-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-player-grades-2017
     
  17. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Show me where you gave stats for two different seasons?
     
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  18. mattymcgee55 Legend Patriots Bruins

    come on man, grasping at straws. ive clearly mentioned back to back seasons of the same stat and shown the one where he was the best. the same stat that you just recently got so fired up about and mentioned Jesus in. you didnt care for the stat and had claimed that i was using different stats, to which i wasnt. that stat.
     
  19. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Fair enough. The last 10 years...

    2011 - 2nd
    2012 - 17th
    2013 - 13th
    2014 - 21st
    2015 - 2nd
    2016 - 7th
    2017 - 1st
    2018 - 21st
    2019 - 17th
    2020 - 23rd
     
  20. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    I'm not grasping at anything. You showed us 2017 he was the best against the blitz. That's it.
     

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