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If the stats back it up....how can it be drivel?.

Oversimplified, fine. But the topic of conversation is Brady and pressure...so that's what we are talking about.

It's not the only way to beat him...and it's not a definite you will beat him. But it's a pretty damn good way...demonstrated by historical fact.

 

this true, they also lost in case anyone here is unaware.

 

And it's not 100%. I'm sure there are examples where he overcame pressure. Nothing is absolute. But it's been the formula, ask the Ravens.

 

and i believe that PFF had him as the worst qb in the league against the blitz the following season.

 

As stated earlier in the thread. Don't conflate pressure with blitzing. If a blitz doesn't end up as a pressure it's actually an advantage for the QB.

 

Passer rating versus blitz and passing under pressure aren't the same thing though. It can be two different metrics.

If the blitz is picked up...or the ball gets out quick...pressure doesn't have a chance to do anything.

We are talking about what happens when the defense gets pressure...not when they attempt to get pressure.

 

Exactly right.

 

but what does that say about the weight of the analytics? first to last in a year, same player same coach, same system, equally as successful in consecutive seasons.
i probably should have replied to BWW's post regarding statistics and historical fact, that was my intention.

 

im not sure if he's still there but PFF had Michael Onwenu as statistically the best rookie in the league a few weeks ago. absolute nonsense.
not discrediting advanced metrics entirely, just making the point that they are flawed.

 

I think in Brady's case it says a lot about protection. If Brady went from 1st against the blitz one year...to near the bottom or at the bottom the next...knowing his style of play and who he is....I'd venture to say protection around him got worse.

Analytics are what they are. Stats don't show everything....stats can definitely be misleading. No one can say different. But Brady under pressure, not against the blitz, but under actual pressure is a pretty consistent thing you can trace back year after year and see the results of.

 

It says you're mis-reading the analytics. One is showing success against the blitz. One is showing success when pressured. Two different things.

 

Offensive line play is one area where I really don't like PFF. But stats aren't flawed....they are only flawed if they are all you believe in at the end of the day.

Metrics help tell a story and often times will confirm what you see with your eyes if you know what you're looking at.

 

And for the record. When this subject first came up...

I don't know too many people that watch more football than Tim. Is he falling for middle-school drivel also?

 

its saying that in one season Tom Brady was the best against the blitz and the following season he was the worst. i dont think this is even remotely close to the truth and that the stats kept here are extremely flawed. in this particular instance Brady had similar success on the field and went to consecutive SB's even winning one when he was "the worst against the blitz". i understand that pressure and blitz are not the same thing but they are often related as is the misuse of the corresponding stats.

 

the o-line point may be valid, i'll have to look at the rosters but i dont think there was much turnover. although maybe the poor year for Brady was when Scarnecchia left.

 

Or teams figured him or his protection out after really having a chance to look it over an offseason. Kind of how many rookies, mainly at QB take a step back if they really go off year 1.

 

i will say emphatically that watching a sport does not mean that there is knowledge involved in that sport whatsoever.
On a separate note I respect Tim's opinion and often learn from him based on the presentation of facts that he brings to the table.

 

on the norm id agree but this is an entirely different situation. Brady won the SB when he was "the worst in the league" vs the blitz. the stat kept in this instance is garbage

 

Tim always brings a very neutral point of view to the discussion. The rest of us are always kool aid dipped in our team colors.

 

Defensive pressure , especially when it's physical, is a problem for all quarterbacks. That's certainly not exclusive to Tom Brady. Ya knock em around a little bit, and it effects them negatively. Hasn't it always been that way with every quarterback that ever played?