NFL - Random Opinions

Discussion in 'NFL General Discussion' started by Campbell, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Tom Brady has always been bad under pressure which is why they ran the offense they did and also why Belichick consistently let o-linemen walk and just replaced them with rookies or retreads. The key to Brady's success has been to get the ball out of his hand early, utilizing shorter crossers and option routes.
     
  2. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    2018 raw data shows Baker was much better as a rookie (pre-Odell Beckham). I'm guessing the ball came out much quicker under Kitchens.

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  3. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    2019 data - things get worse for Baker

    p.s. I set minimum 300 attempts but had to throw Duck in there. Mason not any better.

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  4. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Pretty interesting data here. For 2020...

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  5. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    This would suggest that the offense Stefanski is employing could be predicated on routes that take time to develop.

    A quick way to potentially gauge if it’s the quarterback being indecisive or the play forcing him to hold the ball longer would be to compare this chart to one from 2019/2018 and Kirk Cousins numbers with Stefanski.
     
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  6. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    Definitely a good example of what Tim said about the personal rating of stats vs a team rating or accomplishments. Kirk Cousins has had all day to throw the football, 2 outstanding receivers, whom actually are highly ranked in the NFL, but just 1-5 as a team so far. People clamor to fix the Vikings o-line, when Cousins is 'camping out' back there, lol.
     
  7. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Funny you should mention that...

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  8. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Agreed, and he was at his worst when pressured straight up the middle.

    Which, in all fairness, the larger percentage of passers are, especially traditional pocket passers.
     
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  9. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    This would suggest the offense is working against Baker’s skill set to a degree.
     
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  10. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    100% and keep in mind as I post 2018. Stefanski is on record as being heavily influenced by Kubiak when he came to the Vikings in 2019. He gave him a lot of credit and adapted his offense with some of Kubiak's tendencies.

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    Interesting with Ben on the bottom. This was the last full season under Haley. I think had Haley been not such a dick and stayed with Cleveland he would have been great for Mayfield. Also, the Beckham trade makes no sense for Baker. Of course this opinion includes the ability to judge in hindsight.
     
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  11. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    It also suggests the combination of Stefanski / Josh Allen / Odell Beckham would put the fear of god in the rest of the AFC.
     
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  12. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    You’re Josh Allen love is starting to make the rest of the locker room uncomfortable. lol
     
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  13. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Most dangerous player in the NFL. Unfortunately sometimes he's a danger to himself. Gonna end up hurt if he doesn't give up on a play now and then.
     
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  14. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Bottom three also ranked #1, #3 and #8 in rushing attempts.
     
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  15. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    Still gets in the bad habit of not correcting his platform before releasing sometimes but he’s rounding out his game a little more each season.

    Agreed about the injury risk, but if he can stay healthy his ceiling is stratospheric.
     
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  16. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    And since you mentioned him... :bravo:

    Allen has benefited so much from coaching. You can see it in this raw data and then also see how that data showed up on the field. Came in as a rookie and held the football like many rookies do. Struggled in just about every meaningful stat but gutted out numerous comeback wins with his legs. Showed great leadership but had to learn how to be a QB. 2019 - Daboll broke him down and forced the ball out of his hands. Still gave him opportunities, often using his legs and he cut down on a lot of the mistakes, especially as the season went on. Then in 2020, Daboll handed him the keys to the car. Obviously, still not a finished product but he is standing tall in the pocket, reading the field and carving people up. Still runs occasionally but most of the work is between the tackles and getting the ball down the field. Fun to watch.
     
  17. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    I completely agree with this assessment.
     
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  18. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    Not sure he'll ever break that habit completely and yes it creates some off-target throws but no more than any other QB. At some point, and it will probably take a few more years he will shake that inaccurate label because it is just complete garbage at this point. Every QB in the game misses throws. It happens for a variety of reasons. Almost none can make the throws this kid makes, often with the worst fundamentals you can imagine. The throw he made to Brown vs. the Raiders that was ruled down at the 1 but was actually a TD was just insane. Pure arm talent.
     
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  19. beachbum M.V.P. Manager Steelers

    To my point. Adjusted completion percentage...

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  20. Willie Head Coach Manager News & Notes Vikings

    The above graph is why I also like Bridgewater so much. Very comparable to Allen and he should still be in Minnesota.
     
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