Protests and Riots ...

Discussion in 'Chicago Bears' started by babyfan, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    1. House invasion - YES (no one was home at the time).
    2. Car jacking - YES
    1st call was to the local police.
    2nd call was to On-Star.
    On-Star gave the police the location and movement of the vehicle. The perpetrators were in custody and my vehicle back in my possession within an hour.​
    3. Robbery - YES (see #1)
    4. Mugging - NO
    5. Assault with a weapon - NO (YES - if military service counts)
    6. Rape NO (Sexual Assault - YES)
    7. Attempted murder - NO
     
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  2. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    Lyman do you own any guns? Have you ever had to use one in any situation?
     
  3. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    I prefer not to answer your 1st question on a public forum. I prefer to make people think about that answer BEFORE they try to invade my home.

    As to your 2nd question:

    I served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

    Prior to that - I grew up in a family that owned guns. My father spent a lot of time to make absolutely sure that I and my brothers were well versed in gun safety. I can recall to this day the time I spent at a local target range. This range happened to be located on the 2nd floor of our YMCA.

    Can you imagine today some kid waltzing into a YMCA with a target rifle slung over his shoulder carrying a box of ammunition?
     
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  4. dlinebass5 M.V.P. Bears

    I have been held at gun point twice, both by people I previously trusted (to some degree). In neither case would a gun have helped me, and in both cases they were doing something incredibly selfish, as you'd imagine. One of them is now a police officer with the sheriff's office for his local county. Big surprise.
     
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  5. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    I respect your choice for privacy. Thank you for letting me know that.

    At any time when you have been involved in an escalated situation (aggression or violence) aside from your time served in the Army have you ever had to draw a weapon in self defence?

    And lastly, but most importantly, thank you for your service.
     
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  6. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    Unreal. I cannot imagine being involved in a situation like that.

    Would you say that having the ability to reason under duress was more important than holding a gun during either of those instances?
     
  7. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Nope!!!! Not getting the idea.....can you explain?????
     
  8. tunafat Franchise Player Bears

    I did have my front door from my place down south in Georgia kicked in why I was in Chicago, but what was odd they didn't enter. My infrared sensor didn't detect any movement in the house until the Sheriff arrived and checked out the house, and found everything was in place. I wasn't able to get down there to fix the damage until a couple of days later although my security system was still armed there was no latch on the door. Funny thing though there are a ton of paper wasps down there (they don't bother me I don't bother them) and there was a nest hanging right on the top of the door sill, there is a delay on the alarm system so they had no idea there was an alarm in place. So why didn't they go in? I thought perhaps when they kicked the door in they upset the nest and they got swarmed kind of like a deterrent or rather what I call a beeterrent. I repaired the door and left the nest in place as I thought it was the least I could do for them.
     
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  9. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    Wow that's insane! What a natural deterrent for anyone!
    I speak from experience. Last week when I was trimming a tree in one of my gardens with these huge very sharp clippers I lost my balance and started to fall but I had the presence of mind to throw the clippers away from me so I wouldn't self-murder myself. Instead, I landed on a wasp nest and got 8 stings. I definitely did not feel like robbing anyone after that happened. :)
     
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  10. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    If I were to answer this question, then I would (by default) answer the question I prefer not to answer on a public forum.

    The reality is that I actually live a rather boring life. I tend not to frequent places or events where this type of situation may arise. I also suspect that folks that do carry a weapon often hesitate to draw their weapon in this type of situation. That hesitation often ends up with the law abiding gun owner wounded (or worse) and the criminal ending up with yet another weapon in their collection.
     
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  11. SoCalSaint Franchise Player Saints

    The home invasion and robbery were the same event. He would have gotten two steps inside the front door and BOOM.
    The mugging and assult were also the same event. He pulls a knife, I pull out a gun. Game over.
     
  12. SoCalSaint Franchise Player Saints

    Nice !!
     
  13. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    I have concealed and open carried a weapon many times...have never had to use it while doing so. There's always a Glock in my car. G19....the all around best handgun on the planet.

    I'd say that half or more than half of people who do conceal carry are probably either not trained or lack the nerve needed to use the weapon correctly when needed.
     
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  14. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    In neither event did having a gun prevent the incident from happening.
     
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  15. SoCalSaint Franchise Player Saints

    What ?? I have no control over what someone else thinks or does. But I do have some control over the outcome.
     
  16. tunafat Franchise Player Bears

    This is a good question. When my brother and I got jumped things happened so fast we were in the back seat coming out of a bar and someone smashed in the back window so my brother jumps out and I jump out into about 7 guys my buddy stayed in the car trying to run these guys over to even up the odds I guess. I saw my brother jump on the car grabbing a hold of the broken window and probably when he was stabbed in the back ( I didn't see it). Then Dino comes at me with the knife I tried and reason with him one of his friends was kicked me from behind continually but I didn't lose sight of that knife in his hand. while still talking I slipped off my jean jacket figuring if he comes at me with the knife I could catch the blade with my coat and disarm him. I kept talking and trying to reason with him trying to stall until the cops show up. When they did show up they put me and my brother in the paddy wagon without knowing he had been stabbed. He was laying on the bench and I saw the blood running down the wheel well.
    Yeah, I think both are important. Having a gun would make reasoning with someone so much easier.
     
  17. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    Dude...sometimes it's easier to talk to my grandkids than it is talking to you....my comment is in regards to this....

    Being armed doesn't stop these things from happening, in most cases.
     
  18. babyfan Legend Patreon Platinum Bears Babyfan's P.C. Yoga

    It's always been my opinion that a gun or weapon escalates a situation much faster than calm.

    What would have changed your experience if either your brother or you had pulled out a gun?

    And because I care and unrelated to this thread, did your brother recover from his wound?
     
  19. tunafat Franchise Player Bears

    I've never gotten stung by them and they're everywhere, hell I was replacing a vent cap on my steel roof and sealing it because the furnace was moved outside when I took off the cap I uncovered a live nest in it and threw it like a frisbee and scrambled up and over to the other side where the jump was only 8 feet.
     
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  20. SoCalSaint Franchise Player Saints

    Very true. But being armed can effect the outcome.
     

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