That's a tough one, but I have to agree with blang. This is not a private company where employees info is kept hidden away. These guys are paid by the public to defend the public. And I just saw that the idiot mayor of Los Angeles cut $150 million from the LAPD budget. What's that going to solve ?!?! It's not the amount of money we pay for police, it's what are we getting for our buck.
Floyd and the cop that actually killed him worked together as bouncers at a club. I truly believe that this murder had something to do with bad blood between them. Because if they were friends at their shared job he certainly wouldn’t have done what he did to him. I think this has really gone over people’s heads in this case. The cop has zero justification for what he did, but the other cops probably didn’t want to get between the two of them because of the stupid one wanting a chance to get back at his coworker. I believe Floyd was a supervisor at their shared employment. How many people here have never wished they could beat up their boss?
WOW............Baby your thread has caught Fire like a Forest......... Lot of good points here with some excellent Poster's.
I think it's a pretty important time for all of us to have a platform where we can share our thoughts and observations about what is sweeping the world today. I copied the following list from the net. So what has protesting accomplished? Within 10 days of sustained protests: Minneapolis bans use of choke holds. Charges are upgraded against Officer Chauvin, and his accomplices are arrested and charged. Dallas adopts a "duty to intervene" rule that requires officers to stop other cops who are engaging in inappropriate use of force. New Jersey’s attorney general said the state will update its use-of-force guidelines for the first time in two decades. In Maryland, a bipartisan work group of state lawmakers announced a police reform work group. Los Angeles City Council introduces motion to reduce LAPD’s $1.8 billion operating budget. MBTA in Boston agrees to stop using public buses to transport police officers to protests. Police brutality captured on cameras leads to near-immediate suspensions and firings of officers in several cities (i.e., Buffalo, Ft. Lauderdale). Monuments celebrating confederates are removed in cities in Virginia, Alabama, and other states. Street in front of the White House is renamed "Black Lives Matter Plaza.” Military forces begin to withdraw from D.C. Then, there's all the other stuff that's hard to measure: The really difficult public and private conversations that are happening about race and privilege. The realizations some white people are coming to about racism and the role of policing in this country. The self-reflection. The internal battles exploding within organizations over issues that have been simmering or ignored for a long time. Some organizations will end as a result, others will be forever changed or replaced with something stronger and fairer. Globally: Protests against racial inequality sparked by the police killing of George Floyd are taking place all over the world. Rallies and memorials have been held in cities across Europe, as well as in Mexico, Canada, Brazil, Australia, and New Zealand. As the US contends with its second week of protests, issues of racism, police brutality, and oppression have been brought to light across the globe. People all over the world understand that their own fights for human rights, for equality and fairness, will become so much more difficult to win if we are going to lose America as the place where 'I have a dream' is a real and universal political program," Wolfgang Ischinger, a former German ambassador to the US, told the New Yorker. In France, protesters marched holding signs that said "I can't breathe" to signify both the words of Floyd, and the last words of Adama Traoré, a 24-year-old black man who was subdued by police officers and gasped the sentence before he died outside Paris in 2016. Cities across Europe have come together after the death of George Floyd: In Amsterdam, an estimated 10,000 people filled the Dam square on Monday, holding signs and shouting popular chants like "Black lives matter," and "No justice, no peace." In Germany, people gathered in multiple locations throughout Berlin to demand justice for Floyd and fight against police brutality. A mural dedicated to Floyd was also spray-painted on a stretch of wall in Berlin that once divided the German capital during the Cold War. In Ireland, protesters held a peaceful demonstration outside of Belfast City Hall, and others gathered outside of the US embassy in Dublin. In Italy, protesters gathered and marched with signs that said "Stop killing black people," "Say his name," and "We will not be silent." In Spain, people gathered to march and hold up signs throughout Barcelona and Madrid. In Athens, Greece, protesters took to the streets to collectively hold up a sign that read "I can't breathe." In Brussels, protesters were seen sitting in a peaceful demonstration in front of an opera house in the center of the city. In Denmark, protesters were heard chanting "No justice, no peace!" throughout the streets of Copenhagen, while others gathered outside the US embassy. In Canada, protesters were also grieving for Regis Korchinski-Paquet, a 29-year-old black woman who died on Wednesday after falling from her balcony during a police investigation at her building. And in New Zealand, roughly 2,000 people marched to the US embassy in Auckland, chanting and carrying signs demanding justice. Memorials have been built for Floyd around the world, too. In Mexico City, portraits of him were hung outside the US embassy with roses, candles, and signs. In Poland, candles and flowers were laid out next to photos of Floyd outside the US consulate. And in Syria, two artists created a mural depicting Floyd in the northwestern town of Binnish, "on a wall destroyed by military planes."
Good in theory, but you're going to need the general public to give a shit about the community for this to truly work as intended. Fundamental change starts with us, and that means taking responsibility without expecting a big payout, which is what America is gravitating towards--how can I make all the money. Let's face it, when we all get jury duty summons we don't get excited and I'll bet half of you at least don't show or you get thrilled when you're a "standby" juror and you're in A-M and last names N-Z have to show up. I've missed jury duty due to that I miss a day's pay, which is a lot better than the check for $17 bucks and some change you get for sitting around for hours, maybe getting called on. So yes, I have to get better too. When it came to police in the US for a very long time--we've had a "just let them deal with it" mentality (mixing into the points already stated about police doing a shit job policing themselves/holding themselves accountable). We boil it down simply to police = good, criminals = bad, so police take care of criminals. I think this idea would be best used after the institution is demolished and American policing is being rebuilt and redefined as a community first, de-escalation tool it was intended to be, not local military armed to the teeth because every cop show on TV shows you bullshit that rarely or never happens. Turn on a police scanner/dispatch (free app on apple/android called '5-0 Radio') and see what calls these guys and girls actually get. I don't think it'll do much good when cops have to wrangle up stray dogs, homeless, mentally unstable who are sometimes homeless/sometimes separated from family/caretaker, babysit children after school because parents are working/not in the picture, and other non-criminal things we've thrown on their plates because we don't fund mental health, educational/after school programs, etc like we used to. Oh, then we ask them to catch the criminals after they're done being dog catchers and baby sitters. First, understand and clearly define what the role of the police is before you formulate a plan. Instead, we've gotten so lazy to the point where its just one big, encompassing entity that has its own unchecked approach to dealing with a wide range of issues (usually with lethal force) because we've adopted a sick ideology that government needs to be run like a business and we cant spend unnecessarily (which American politicians do anyways because they dont fear retribution/accountability from us) and the business has to do "more with less." Cut spending in the form of social programs to save money crap they say but they don't save money, they hand it to military/defense contractors to build things the government will never use because we're not in a real fucking war. You then have to put the fear of god into the politicians to make it work without pork barrel spending or the slick under-the-table bribe from Lockheed Martin or one of the other well funded weapon/defense contractors that our egregious spending on military goes to for unknown reasons.
Holy smokes Pat. That's an amazing post!! You touch on a lot of really important issues that are going to need some change. This all bears down into the guts of the political system, not just in the States but world-wide. In the scaled down institution that you describe, do you see any similarities with any policing done worldwide?
This is a big difference in the Democratic Party and Trump. The dems want to have a global government and Trump wants America to stay great. Seeing how a global government isn’t going to do jack for America, I say follow Trump’s make America great again philosophy.
Hoboy this is a troll-worthy crock of shit. Trump's made American more of a global government than Democrats do. Tariffs has China buying from other countries. Ma and pop farming/not mass farming is rapidly declining in the US, and Brazil has taken over the beef industry/ He and his friends just says the democrats do. Democrats, because they're spineless--say nothing, so rubes think its true. Other countries value their people. On youtube, you can find a clip of unarmed London PD skillfully in a team disarming a mentally disabled man wielding and swinging a machete. In America, he'd be a closed casket funeral and a record for number of bullets in what used to be his skull/chest. In America, we have people like Dave Grossman, who will have us believe in 'Killology.' He describes Killology as: The scholarly study of the destructive act, just as sexology is the scholarly study of the procreative act. In particular, killology focuses on the reactions of healthy people in killing circumstances (such as police and military in combat) and the factors that enable and restrain killing in these situations. https://www.killology.com/ We have clowns like this teach cops to shoot to kill and treat every situation as if it could be the cops' last, not de-escalate a situation like a mentally disabled person having a panic attack. We arm them to the teeth with weapons/tools of war when we aren't in a war (but the chickenhawk politicians would say otherwise). We then vilify the victim, bringing up the time he/she was an idiot when they were younger in a situation unrelated to a murder by police to justify the police killing someone that in another country would have ended quite differently.
In a lot of other countries police go through training that last for a couple of years not months. We need to seriously consider better training for our police
