Looking Forward to the 2019 AFC North

So you want to discredit yards per attempt, because it's "largely a part of offensive philosophy", but you were quick to to throw out total yards and yards per game. So to you, those aren't determined by offensive philosophy? Or are you just winging your argument as you go and changing criteria where it benefits you?

Nah, you did that on your own from the post I responded to, to each one after that. Just because you said one slight comment doesn't disregard additional comments.

 

No. I won't for multiple reasons:

1. Every team plays the schedule in front of them, but just because fans feel one team is more talented doesn't mean their win was guaranteed. The Jets suck, but they beat the Cowboys. Most Browns fans came into the season feeling their team was one of the most talented in the league, and then they got stomped by Tennessee. Everyone here swore Seattle would beat the Ravens without question. There are many more examples. You don't rack up wins against bad teams, unless you're just a very good team.

2. I don't subscribe to the yards talk either, for a similar reason. Lamar Jackson had his numbers against Miami in 3 quarters. All teams try to score as much as possible in the first half and the Ravens put up 6 TDs by half time. Their QB had 4, their RB had 2. They then took their foot off the gas. The Cowboys went into the half up 10-6. The Patriots 13-0. The Chargers 17-10. The 5-1 Bills were actually down 9-14. To repeat, every team tries to score as much as possible in the first half and run out the clock in the 2nd half with a big lead. If it was really so easy to rack up stats against this horrible team........why hasn't anyone else done it since? The Patriots are known to keep throwing with 2 minutes left in the game when up 30. Now, if you can explain why these easy to acquire stats weren't as easy to acquire for every team, I'll agree with you.

There's actually a great reason the week 1 thing with the Dolphins happened. It's one of the most obvious reasons that I'm surprised nobody ever says. I guess when talking heads start going on about bad teams/tanking teams, it's just easier for most to simply repeat what they heard since they likely didn't watch the game.

 

Miami had no answer for a good running QB. The Patriots will take Jackson out of the game. Your RBs will have to play great to beat them.

 

lmaoooo -- Never get into an argument with a fool. They're drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

Not really. Lamar didn't really run that game. He had 3 attempts on the stat sheet, but one was a kneel down. Miami's biggest issue in week 1 was gameplan, and it's not really their fault. The only tape they had on Lamar was 2018 tape that featured a lot of Lamar and Gus Edwards running. On that tape, when he did throw, he threw a lot of short passes to the TEs mainly. So for any team with nothing more to gameplan with, of course they would play to stop the QB runs and short passes. Unfortunately for them, the Ravens gameplan was to run with the backs only, and come out throwing intermediate and deep passes.

Now if people that wanted to discredit the Ravens performance brought that up, I'd likely ignore it. Even with that explanation it disregards that the offense, and Lamar specifically, still.....needed.....to......execute. A slant in tight coverage that goes for 40+ still needed good placement on the throw. A pass that goes 40+ in the air that the receiver takes another 40 yards for a TD still needs an accurate throw. A well covered Boykin being thrown up because the defender wasn't even looking towards the QB still needs a decent enough throw (although I will say he if the defender was looking he probably defends it as Lamar had no power behind the throw due to backpedaling from pressure).

If it was all about a "jv team" like someone keeps trying to put it, then better throwers should have been able to put up better passing metrics.

 

Imagine thinking yards-per-attempt is a superior metric to judge QB performance by...

You've moved the goal posts so many times I was trying to keep up. As I mentioned in my previous quote, I was silly to think arguing with you would be productive. You've continued to prove that over the course of this discussion.

 

Good point. I'll remember this lesson so as not to let you drag me down next time.

Primary signs that you're arguing with a fool, the "lmaooo" in messages, rarely respond to your actual points when you make them or answer direct question, and talk change their criteria/views as it fits them. So congrats, you definitely pulled me down. Should have listened to Dline

 

The other thing to consider is that sometimes teams just have a really bad game. That could have been the dolphins in week one

 

This from the guy who used total passing yards with no regard for attempts???? The guy who used total defense in order to judge passing performance???

Prove it. Back up your statement.

For example, you stupidly try to argue that yards per attempt shouldn't be used because offensive philosophy has a factor in it, but also stupidly tried to use total passing yards and passing yards per game even though offensive philosophy greatly factors into that stat.

This is an example of proving your statements. Not just throwing them out there, which you seem to be keen on doing.

 

This is actually another good point. For example, Minkah Fitzpatrick looks great with Pittsburgh. Even in the Ravens game, he looked pretty good. Yet he looked horrible week 1 with Miami. Russell Wilson just looked fairly bad against a defense I'd agreed looks mediocre thus far. Many won't factor in the rain that likely helped lead to his bad performance also

 

Maybe that was it because the Steelers were hitting him left and right and he still delivered the ball on time and in the only place his receivers could catch it. Against the Ravens it appeared the pressure got to him.

 

Wow... I wasn't planning to respond to you again until I saw this. You two buddies? No wonder this has been so painful...

Pretty sure I'm still living rent free in his head -- on the plus side, without a functioning frontal cortex, there's an abundance of room in there.

 

I'd like to apologize to everyone else for the detour with RR3... queueing up another troll-block and we'll get back to our regularly scheduled program. In today's news...

I would say this is not ideal.

On the bright side, maybe it'll force Freddie to (1) commit to about 30 carriers for Chubb, and (2) get the ball out of Bake's hand much, much quicker.

 

The blueprint:

 

Your 1st point is a valid one. You can only play the teams on your schedule.

After that, it tends to go downhill. Are you going to tell me, with a straight face, that Miami (in week 1), Arizona (in week 2) or Cincinnati (in week 6) were teams capable of being competitive in the NFL this year?

If it makes you feel better . . . the only team in the NFL that had a softer schedule through the 1st six weeks was the New England Patriots. That's not based on one fan's feeling, it's based on the W/L record of the team's opponents (excluding games involving that team).

 

SAS can't have a productive conversation with someone, and blocks them. Pretty routine for him. That safe-space punk bitch.

 

Yeah, I realized this too late

 

And that's why I'm not claiming the defense is back as of now. They are still mediocre to me until I see a good game against a good offense with no whether issues helping out

 

and week 2, and week 3, and week 4 . . . you get my drift. Pick a week. The Dolphins this year have been bad.

 

I think we're seeing two different points. I'm not saying level of competition doesn't matter, but I am saying I don't discredit teams because they played a team that is supposed to be bad. Bad teams beat better teams almost every week in the NFL. I mean, look at the recent Ravens vs Browns game as a prime example

As for the stats argument, I'll maintain one thing. If almost every team is having similar performance against one defense, then I'll agree that defense is bad. When one team has a great game against a defense and the next 6 teams can't match it even with better passers, then there's just more to it. Now of course, that doesn't mean I think it determines which passer is better than another, but it could show which team executed better or had a better gameplan, or whatever.