Gabriel sure. A 3 or 4 is ideal, but why didn’t this happen Monday when the Pats and 49ers we’re actively looking? Agreed on Wims and Ridley. Kwiatkowski I’ll go with no. Because somethings changed. For the amount we’ve bitched about this teams really shitty last 3 weeks, something seemingly swept under the rug/missed/not considered is how Roquan Smith really didnt look good against Oakland or New Orleans. I’ve opined before Nick is probably done here after this year—but if Roquan sucks again against the bolts, he should be “in case of emergency” starter. Someone would really have to make me part with Nick K with a solid offer. A 5th isn’t a deal.
A couple of us ripped him for Oakland, he was totally not switched on mentally in that game. I kinda wanted to put together an All-22 thread from the Saints game, but would need to learn how to and then actually take time to do it and haven't had the time. 2 particular plays involved Smith and both were just unspeakably bad. On both plays he actually looks afraid to me, like he's scared of contact or something. If it was my call he'd already be benched for this Chargers game.
I'm not on the fire Nagy bandwagon at this point. I have some issues with him but find it hard to judge him because of Trubisky. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. I'd probably prefer going after Teddy Bridgewater over throwing money at Rivers.
That and nobody in their right mind would give up a 5th round pick for a slow, one dimensional inside linebacker. Those are a dime a dozen in the college ranks. I tried attaching a Lumbergh gif to my previous response, but couldn’t make it work. So I gave up.
He's not injured or anything like that, its mental, 100%. There were a couple of plays early against the Packers, might've been back to back. One he shot the gap with conviction, another i think a TFL or something. He was committed and looked sharp as a razor. Haven't seen it since. The Saints were moving people off the ball way too easily thru the A-Gap, getting lineman to the 2nd level too frequently. Thats not a good scenario for Smith i know that. But he wasn't even trying to be proactive. Try to meet the OL in the hole, or get around the OL, or even go low and dive one way or the other to force the RB to bounce it where you may have support, nothing. Instead he protected himself. That play i referenced y'day about Fuller playing 10yards off Taysom Hill. That play was a shallow cross to the TE who Smith had responsibility for. But it was actually a designed pick, Hill goes for Smith almost as soon as the ball is snapped. And when Smith notices this, i shit you not, his first move is to run away even tho Hill isn't near him yet. Forget the TE, Smith is in self preservation mode. The guy is playing totally scared out there. I have no idea why.
The fact that typically after 30 is when players begin to decline. Again, might not happen for him next year, but might as well get some value for him now (and cap space) before it does. Yeah abso-fucking-lutely, if there's a team dumb enough to make that deal with us.
I'm definitely not on the Fire Nagy bandwagon. Give him an average QB and I'm fairly confident we'd have one of the more productive offenses in the NFL.
Might as well trade Khalil Mack then because he will be 30 in a few years and is gonna decline. The logic is silly. You don't win by trading your best players. If we had a ridiculously deep roster with young players ready to crack the lineup....I'd be all for it. We don't.
Mack is 27, Prince is 30. In NFL years (akin to dog years) that's a massive difference. I'm also not as high on Prince in general as you are. He's fundamentally sound (not easy to find), but he's not a shut down CB nor a play maker. Given his age, I worry he won't be as solid after 2019.
i think the Noquan moniker is once again earned. Honestly they need to bench him again as the “personal reasons” are likely at fault. 44 isn’t great vs the pass but at least he was lighting up the run game and Noquan isn’t doing either at the moment. To the thread, I actually wanted to put together a thread on Pace. I’m not sure I trust him to make an equitable trade or draft the right person. I’m very worried he is Jerry Angelo 2.0. Too many similarities: building an excellent defense, missing on high draft picks but killing it in late rounds, can’t find a QB, nonsense trades in the draft. I hope I’m wrong but The lack of draft capital is concerning. everyone looks to the patriots as a model of sustainable success but I’d argue more teams than that are stable. What they all have? A reliable or great QB. Pace swung for who he thought and was wrong, even if Mitch turns it around it seems SUPER unlikely he becomes a Brady or even a Wilson/Rothlisberger/Rivers what have you. trading around pieces isn’t going to solve the core problem with this team for the past 80 years. They need to land the most important position in the game, period.
Yeah, with every post I've read on this thread, I keep thinking: A. this team doesn't need to be blown up. It needs an average / competent NFL QB. B. Why in the fuck would we give Pace another chance to pick a QB / reinvent this team moving forward? This team's window is immediate. If Pace can get a new QB on board that gives this team a chance to win this year / next year, I'm all for it. Otherwise, he needs to go. Mitch was the wrong choice, and while I appreciate his hits in the draft, let's all acknowledge his massive misses. If we're not capitalizing on this window, then someone else needs to set this team up for the next one.
Because every GM makes questionable moves and mistakes. And Pace has hit in a lot of other areas that makes me believe his player evaluation skills are not awful at all.
