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Has nothing to do with the present conversation.

This is just swing and a miss at an insult.

 

Completely disagree.

You're a mental midget begging someone taller to reach the top shelf for you.

Backups don't win games. Starters do. When a backup starts....he's no longer a backup.

That's a substitution because of injury.

I'm not saying teams shouldn't have quality depth. I'm saying backups don't win games.

 

Here's the point....

Any team that signs Kaep right now is signing him to be a backup.

So saying any team that wants to win games should sign Kaep......is dumb.

 

Antonio Brown released by the Patriots.

 

Nice.

 

I'm going to wager that you at least understand what Kaepernick's message is. Therefore, not ignorant.

It's the people who simply do not understand and do not care to understand the issue that are ignorant. And, yes, I'm confident calling them that - that's the definition of the word.

If we're going to discredit his play early in his career due to team strength, then let's also acknowledge the absolute shitshow that was the Tomsula / Chip Kelly years. To blast Kaepernick for his play during that time, while saying that his successful play early on was attributed to the team simply isn't fair or intellectually honest.

Mitch's numbers may have been better last year, but they're not right now. And that's the whole point - Kaepernick has presented a talent upgrade to at least one team each year since he's been out of the league. And I would argue that at least one team each year has had significant QB woes keeping an otherwise talented roster out of playoff / SuperBowl contention.

You're going to look at the QB landscape in the NFL right now and tell me that Kaepernick doesn't present a legitimate upgrade at starter for any team over the last three years?

None of this is material to the discussion, though. Vick was surrounded by the media circus - he was still brought in, and years later is being publicly applauded for his career. If he was just brought in to be a gadget player, it further reinforces my point - with Kaepernick playing a more important position, if teams were willing to take on the circus then, why aren't they in this case?

So, the talent isn't what's keeping him off the field, and neither is the media baggage.

I'd argue that the media baggage still followed him to those places, where he was indeed brought on to be a backup QB, again reinforcing my point, but I won't since I've already pretty plainly made it.

So then you believe he's significantly less talented than players who also consistently bring media reaction playing at less important positions? Because, in my mind, that's pretty "talent deficient" - for a team to trot out a QB they know gives them no chance to win, just because of media reaction. Considering they're fine with every other player that brings the circus... I don't see it.

I'm not arguing that he's going to carry any team. I'm arguing that there are numerous teams in the past three years whose seasons have been torpedoed by predictably bad QB play, and that Kaepernick could have presented those teams with an upgrade at the most important position on the field, giving them better / any postseason aspirations. For most football teams, that's a good thing.

Honestly, I haven't followed Kaepernick after leaving the NFL very closely - and I don't have strong feelings on him either way, despite this conversation. I'm chiming in because I don't feel that the arguments made against his employment given on this site have validity. If there have been material discussions about giving him a contract - that are corroborated by team, agent, player, and coaching staffs (given the "reporting" in this day and age, this part is important) - and he has simply turned them down despite being fair offers, then I'll concede the point. Maybe he just legitimately doesn't want to play football.

If you guys can show me that evidence, I'm all about admitting my fault. That DE who came out as gay a few years ago, for example - he just wasn't talented enough at a competitive position. But I don't think those qualities apply to this case, and thus I find it far more questionable.

 

You don't see a reason why at least three or four teams already thin at QB due to injury / otherwise would see Kaepernick as a potential upgrade at the position? He would be at minimum a legitimate contender for a starting role on several teams in the league, presuming he hasn't completely forgotten how to play, in my estimation.

Well, I can't say I'm surprised - maybe he's not all that "conniving" after all, as many conspiracy theorists across the internet conceived when he was released from Oakland. It's almost as if he's just a petulant, short-sighted child...

He handled a press meeting today like a Patriots pro. There has to be an in-house reason why he was let go - likely related to his new legal troubles. I'd wager my week's salary on the fact that it wasn't related to "media baggage". The team had reporters in his face, and he did just fine. It was a known factor prior to his hiring, and they were just fine with bringing him in.

 

@dlinebass5

For the record - you can disagree with me all you like. It’s really no big deal.

But you can shove calling me dishonest, especially when you couple it with an argument that appears solid but is lacking in context to your suggested structure.

His situation wasn’t great but his play was awful and he was propped up more by Harbaugh then he was brought down in the seasons after.

Coordinators learned how to contain him and he never adjusted his game or improved on his areas of weakness throughout his tenure as starter.

Kaep is what he is. Can some coach get enough out of him to win a game or two? Sure.

But all my previous points stand.

You don’t agree? Cool, but check the petty bullshit at the door.

 

Nothing petty. The case presented to me, by more than just yourself, was: "When Kaep was successful, he was surrounded by a good team. Later in his career, he was bad". If you want to go into details about how you feel his talent was / wasn't used, and what he did / didn't do, you're welcome to. But at the time I made the comment, that was the only opinions that had been expressed. And yes, that opinion would be intellectually dishonest. I know that's not the style of the people discussing this point, so I'm sure it's not ultimately the case.

 

And the other shoe just dropped. Only took 11 days.

 

Do any of the conspiracy theorists who thought AB was making calculated, conniving, orchestrated moves have any new takes on his current situation? Genuinely curious - this felt like a pretty obvious meltdown of a petulant child, to me, but the people on this forum were FAR from the only ones thinking there was something larger or more purposeful at play. Do you still feel the same now, or do you have a different take?

 

Oh crap. You guys beat me to the punch. But still, football doesn't need him.

 

To be clear - You quoted me and not someone else, nor did you suggest anyone else when you made your statement. If I believed it was an open ended comment to the masses I wouldn't have felt it necessary to point out.

And there is no need for me to go into detail in disproving a point that, in turn, you have not proven. However, if you want to discuss that specific aspect of it I am happy to hear your point of view and I will reciprocate the level of specificity that you want to delve into.

Just so I'm clear on where I'm coming from on this - You want to disagree? No problem. I spend most of my day disagreeing and agreeing with other people's opinions while expressing my own. It's probably 95% of how I put together almost everything I have done regarding this entire website.

Just don't bring that other horse shit to the table. It has no place in open discussion because the whole point of it is to suggest that you are the only one that is being forthright with your narrative.

Just because you feel strongly about your position on this particular subject doesn't equate to you being unequivocally right about it.

 

I still feel the same about how he handled himself throughout the whole process.

This latest thing has more to do with him being a cockroach than it does with how he went about leaving Pittsburgh, leaving Oakland and signing in a preferred spot.

 

AB still orchestrated the moves but he didn’t count on being put on the Exempt List. He felt he could do whatever the fuck he wanted, including perhaps, sexual assault. He pushed until he found the limit.

 

Who was sent in to take that starter's place? The Injury Substitution Guy Also With A Similar Helmet? There's a WORD for that. Need a hint?
By the way, who is Chicago's Injury Substitution Guy Also With A Similar Helmet when Ritch Mirerbisky can't giterdun?
Sorry... I was gonna leave it alone ... but the wording.

 

Signing a backup QB doesn’t win a team games.

You’ve yet to refute that.

 

Most teams don’t have very good backup QBs. So most teams are done If the starter goes down.

 

I wish that was the legitimate XFL Twitter account, but it's still funny anyway.