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I mean to say that the way the league has acted in the past - not evidence specific to this case. I could've used a different word just as easily - this is just a miscommunication.

I addressed this - not only would he have been a starter in the league in years past, but teams are certainly talent-deficient enough at the position that, even years removed, he'd compete for a starting job somewhere in the league this year (in many cases because of injury, forcing the backup in, to directly address your point). He was in a Super Bowl in his career, and it wasn't by luck - you and I both watched him tear Chicago a new one, at one point.

And, again directly to your point - Vick was brought in as a backup, not a starter (though he ended up there). So an NFL team absolutely was fine with that media circus surrounding a backup QB. Again, the excuses given for not signing Kaepernick do not resolve with the way the league has conducted itself prior.

Yeah, but at least one team gave him a contract. And then two more gave him contracts after that (to be the backup QB, again). Vick went to prison and was suspended in August 2007. He was signed to the Eagles on August 2009. So, two years removed from the league, in prison, was not reason enough to keep teams away from him. Why are people saying that Kaepernick is suddenly talent deficient, despite having been out of the league a similar amount of time (especially since he was available last year, and the year before, and we heard the same excuses...)?

Vick had at least three teams willing to sign him, out of prison. I have a hard time accepting that no NFL team would sign Kaepernick because of the "circus", again considering active examples like Antonio Brown, who can't clown their way out of the league no matter how hard they try.

If you're telling me that a team is willing to give up a shot at a Super Bowl because their otherwise talented roster doesn't have a legitimate QB, and they're not willing to give a one year, $10-$20 million contract to Kaepernick for a legitimate chance at that Super Bowl... even a better chance, given that they know their current QB's can't do it... well, I just don't see it. Teams have been willing to spend that money on bad QB's before in the hopes of getting over the hump, so why would Kaepernick be any different, especially in even more dire circumstances? It simply doesn't make sense.

Because he certainly has before. And there's precedent for it (we talked about Vick, and he certainly played better than other replacements despite his time away from the league).

If you told me that you were against kneeling for the anthem, though you understood Kaep's message and why it was important, then we could have that conversation. We both know the majority of the upset fanbase doesn't fit that, though.

That is very much an assumption on your part. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but given all of the above, the fact that he hasn't been signed points more towards the league collectively agreeing he shouldn't be signed, rather than: A. a team not wanting to pay him ; B. him not being talented enough to improve a team's roster ; etc.

 

How's Mitch Mirer doing this year? Seeing any regression?

 

Lots of regression. Has nothing to do with the topic we are currently discussing though. That topic is currently being discussed over on the Bears board.

Nice try at a deflection though. Sorry it failed.

 

Could be. What he really seems to lack is that fire, that drive - he's just too nonchalant. Rod Marinelli can be a tough coach; maybe Charlton doesn't doesn't respond to hard coaching. When there were rumors he might not even make the team this year, he had three tackles, two sacks, and two forced fumbles in the preseason game against Houston.

So my gut feeling is he CAN play...but someone's gotta find out what makes him tick, what motivates him, what can they do to get that kind of effort and production out of him full time. Maybe getting outright released embarrasses him and wakes him up. But it says something that Dallas was willing to part ways with him after just two years, and are still hanging on to Randy Gregory.

 

There's nothing definitive to say he'd be a starter. His numbers his last season were bad. Worse than our current Bears QB that you've said several times isn't an NFL QB.

Vick was brought it as a backup and gadget style player that got snaps as a backup.

Vick also did time behind bars and paid for his crimes. It's a little different than Kaep who didn't commit a crime but is guilty in the eyes of a good percentage of the general public.

The other 2 teams that signed Vick and moot to this conversation because they did so after Vick re-proved himself with the Eagles.

I don't think Kaep is talent deficient. I don't think his talent level would be worth the intense media reaction to signing him.

Kaep went to the SB on a talent laden 49er team with a great defense. It's not like he carried them on his back so let's not pretend he could be some teams savior.

Doesn't make them ignorant. It makes them opinionated. With opinions that differ from yours.

Over the past 3 seasons Kaep's agent has had discussions with NFL teams. None that went any place meaningful....but discussions have taken place. At one time Kaep asked for a high dollar amount and made it clear he had to be a starter. Recently he has told teams he'd be willing to be a backup.

If he was blackballed....teams wouldn't be talking to him and entertaining the idea.

 

yeah that seems odd. sometimes pro athletes can't play for a yelling tough coach. maybe that was him? hope he does better although the team he went too is not very good.

 

Nick Foles is calling... he wants to speak with you.

 

Nick Foles was the starter when the Eagles won the SB. Stepped into the starter role when Wentz went down.

What else ya got?

 

I wouldn't mind seeing him succeed - he doesn't seem like a bad guy. But when the word "soft" is used when describing why he was let go...makes me wonder whether he loves football enough to cut it.

 

Kap seems more concerned about his protest than he is about being an NFL QB. His protest shouldn’t take president over the actual game.

 

Not sure how kneeling before a game takes precedent over playing the game for the next 3 hours.

But okay.

 

He was the backup QB for the Philadelphia Eagles... until he wasn't. You know what happened. Stop acting like a 4-year old.

 

Kaepernick could walk into Chicago and TAKE Ritch Mirerbisky's job today.

 

My point was backups don’t win games when they are backups.

If Kaep signed today...he’d be a backup. You don’t win games on the bench.

Sorry but you’re not nearly smart enough to do this with me. Stop trying.

 

Only....no. He couldn’t.

He couldn’t even keep his own job the last time he had it.

 

Here's your EXTRA chance....Kaep is good enough to start in the NFL today... with the right team. Disagree?

Apparently, I'm not the one here having to climb over the perspex wall to see what is behind it.

You need that backup on YOUR team or that guy winning those games isn't YOUR backup, especially if he backs up your injured or suck-ass starter.

 

Ever see a backup QB run onto the field after the starter can't go (for whatever reason) and the backup wins that game? The backup won that game. "Backups don't win football games."

If that doesn't do it, hit me up and I'll call the short bus for ya. Ciao!

 

Might wanna give it a shot. Ritch Mirerbisky is sucking balls from behind so far.

 

I normally steer clear of other conversations but this makes no sense BWW. Having depth (at all positions) has proven to be crucial to winning football games. It's especially true at QB. The Eagles don't win a Super Bowl without having a quality backup QB. Kaep at the very least could serve as a quality backup QB.

 

You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying.