Looking Forward to the 2019 AFC North

Are you calling Tim Campbell a National pundit? He rated Rudolph as the top QB in his class. Actually Rudolph played good enough for the Steelers to win yesterday. Moncrief felt he should play volleyball instead of catching a perfect pass and that lead to a Seahawks TD. Then McCullers thought it necessary to hit the center on a FG so they took the FG off the board and scored a TD. We lost by two points. Rudolph wasn’t the reason we lost.

 

Tim Campbell wasn't the only one who thought he was a first rounder.

I think you are misunderstanding my post, I am one of the ones that think you are now better off after this injury than you were before.


Edit.. BUT it is still a huge question

 

I liked the way Rudolph played against the Seahawks better than the how Roethlisberger looked in his six quarters.

 

Please tell me that's not a thinly-veiled "fire Kitchens".

 

I wanted to move on from Ben years ago. Unfortunately they gave him a new contract in May. Ugh...

 

Speaking of AFC North quarterbacks...

Monday marked Mayfield's 16th NFL game. In just over a season, he's played in 16 (started 15), had three head coaches, three offensive coordinators, and gone 8-8. Technically, he's shy by about a half since he came in right before halftime of the Jets game (Week 3, 2018).

Mayfield's stats for those 16:

354 of 559 (63.3%), 4,335 yards (7.8 YPA, 12.2 YPC), 29 TDs (5.2%), 18 INTs (3.2%), 91.0 QB rating, 33 sacks (5.6%), 3 fourth-quarter comeback wins, 4 game winning drives, and 6.54 adjusted net yards per attempt (warning: that's an analytic measurement)

Sooooo... what is that like on a scale (knowing he already set the NFL rookie record for touchdowns thrown in only 13 games)?

• 1st in NFL history in touchdowns thrown
• 2nd in NFL history in yards (Andrew Luck - 4,374 was higher)
• 3rd in NFL history completion percentage (Dak Prescott - 67.8, Russell Wilson - 64.1 were higher)
• 3rd in NFL history in QB rating (Prescott - 104.9, Wilson - 100.0 were higher)
• 5th in NFL history in yards-per-attempt (Prescott - 8.0, Wilson - 7.9, Matt Ryan - 7.9, and Cam Newton - 7.8 were higher)
• 3rd in NFL history in TD percentage (Prescott - 10.0, Wilson - 6.6 were higher)
• t-4th in NFL history in fourth quarter comebacks (Prescott - 5, Andy Dalton, Luck - 4 were higher)
• t-3rd in NFL history for game winning drives (Luck - 7, Prescott, Geno Smith?! - 5 were higher)

And unlike everyone on that list, he dealt with the turmoil of three head coaches (Jackson, Williams, Kitchens), three offensive coordinators (Haley, Kitchens, Monken), and an offseason as a rookie without getting reps.

Will be interesting to see how he develops this year as the king in a lot of those categories (Prescott) was" just a guy" for his second/third seasons (now he's playing at an elite level currently, so who knows what's really up with that).

 

Roethlisberger set the rookie completion percentage record and Dak is the only one to pass him. So wherever you got those stats from needs to get their heads out of their asses . Ben was 67% his rookie season.

 

66.4%, but your larger point is still right. It's SAS - you can reliably count on his information being unreliable. If it's not entirely subjective or biased, it's not SAS.

 

RG3 threw 65.6% his rookie year. I only looked him up because I lived close to DC at the time and remember fans chirping about how accurate he was.

So at best, that now moves Baker to 5th on that list, which causes me to question the rest of those stats also (I'm not digging through them all though)

 

He played 14 games, started 13, threw 66.4%. Cody Kessler was 65.6%... but I'm looking for a full 16 games.

Only played in 15 games... looking for a full 16 games.

 

Heads up, for everyone else - if you really want to play this dumb-fuck game with SAS, you'll win. Granted, it'll be a massive waste of time, because that martyr's head is so far up his ass it won't matter, but: games one and two of Roethlisberger's second season had completion percentages of 81.8 and 66.6. So, it would actually raise the completion percentage SAS tried to dismiss above, over the course of those 16 games.

Again, it's SAS - we're all better off pretending he doesn't exist. As I said: "you can reliably count on his information being unreliable. If it's not entirely subjective or biased, it's not SAS".

 

Like we rely on you to come in and ride his nuts every time he posts something?

 

I've always been here. I'm a Browns supporter. And trust me - if I corrected him every time he said something completely inane and asinine, it'd be a full time job. If it weren't for the comment from Gidion, I never would've said anything. I ignore his shit whenever possible.

 

Huh? You're using Baker's first 16 games even though they stretch across two seasons. Why wouldn't you do the same for Ben, RG3, and basically anyone else?? That would still put Baker 5th......well, 6th now that you've added in Cody Kessler

 

And those are literally just off the tops of two people's heads.

It's SAS. He's wrong. It's not new, and it's really not worth the time. Let's all let him shout into the void, and not hold it against him that he was born this stupid.

 

We all remember how I felt (feel?) about Cody Kessler...

And you're right... somewhat limited in what the database search would pull. It may have been better to use dropbacks and 16 games as a criteria? Pretty sure it won't pull across seasons like that, unfortunately. Using your examples, though...

Baker's had nearly 600 (592) dropbacks in his first 16 games. It took RG3 19 games to get to that number. It took Roethlisberger 25 games to get to that number. Cody Kessler hasn't hit that number yet in his career (398 dropbacks in four seasons). Andrew Luck actually got there in 14 games (601 dropbacks).

 

And since I see there's hidden content: for the lurker Bears fans - who's heads I continue to live rent-free in - it took Mitchell Trubisky 19 games to get there, throwing for a game-managing 210.9 YPG.

 

I'd say SAS was looking for ways to convince himself/us that everythings OK with Baker, and I don't think stats will prove that one way or the other.

Baker and the O in general are clearly not yet playing up to their capabilities. It doesn't prove much, but it is true. I still believe in Baker and expect him to continue to get better, but right now, he and his mates are underperforming.

LA is a huge test of how Freddie, Baker, Monkin, and co. are going to respond to the lack of coordination on O. The biggest issue from where I sit is the Njoku injury, not because he's the straw that stirs the drink, but because Baker got him hurt, and we can't afford for that to continue.

I believe Baker is a smart guy, but hasn't been playing smart, thus far. The coaching staff and/or his team mates need to counsel him to play to the situation, and live to play another down.

He'll get it right, at some point, but right now he's a little to inclined to shoot for the stars, literally and figuratively. Once he applies some game situation understanding and stops trying to be a hero, we'll be good. Hope it's this week, cause Danold is going to be a problem.

 

TBH... we have very good interior line play. We're going to be in big trouble if they line Donald up over our tackles and play him as an end.

 

I always appreciate the level-headed fans, and it's the only reason this board is worth reading. I think that's a really solid assessment, on your part. Honestly, from what I've observed of Baker, he'll likely always be one to push the envelope. And as long as the benefit always outweighs the detriment, I think he'll be a worthy franchise QB. I think the offense is set up for success, and it may just take some time. I don't doubt Baker at all, personally.

Edit: And for the record, SAS was doing exactly what he always does. He's a martyr to the greatest degree, and there's really not an excuse for it. There are a lot of ways you can try to make yourself feel better about Baker / this team, and frankly I don't think they're too needed - this is a good team, and it's only week two. But using dishonest, cherry-picked statistics to advertise your QB as "#1 in NFL history" in multiple stats is just not acceptable in any form of intelligent conversation.