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McNabb is definitely better than quite a few QBs in the HOF but those QBs IMO are outliers and probably shouldn't be there anyways so they aren't the best comparisons for inclusion. I think McNabb is borderline HoF material and I would lean on him not being in but if he gets in it wouldn't be an outrage at all.

 

Warner’s numbers are better than McNabb.

I think there’s probably a legit debate where you could argue against Warner being in the Hall but there was at least a small portion of time when you could argue, statistically, that Warner was the best QB in the game or at least among the elite.

You can’t say the same about McNabb.

McNabb might have a different narrative in hindsight had he won a ring...fair or not that always helps, but as compared to his peers that he played at the same time as....I don’t believe there was ever a moment where I would have said this guy is one of the best in the game, statistically or otherwise.

Warner only playing because of an injury is moot. What happened, happened. How he got in the lineup doesn’t devalue what he did once he got there. And being benched doesn’t erase his accomplishments. He isn’t the first player in the Hall to be benched at some point in his career.

Not saying you can’t debate Warner being there...but his case, in my opinion, is way ahead of McNabb’s.

 

Name a QB that played at the same time as McNabb...not that he overlapped with...but one he spent a considerable amount of time playing in the league with that either is already in the Hall or likely going there that McNabb is definitely better than.

 

I don't want to list them but if I'm not mistaken in thinking it quickly, all QBs better than him are in or going to be in the HoF. McNabb is next up before a decent drop.

So ya what you are trying to do there is irrelevant in what I was saying at least.

 

Kurt Warner was benched to give way to 1st round QBs pre-rookie wage scale. For the Cardinals I believe they handed the job to Leinhart before the season despite being outplayed by Warner. They didn’t want to have $50 million sitting on the bench. Warner took back the job mid-season. The Giants had a similar situation with Manning, although that time he was really struggling. Their OL wasn’t very good and he was a sitting duck, kind of like how Manning is today...as for the Rams, didn’t he get injured and Bulger came in and lit it up?
If the only reason he started in the beginning was due to injury is a negative against him, then what about the arguable GOAT Brady? He got his start because Bledsoe got injured. Like others have said Warner had years where he was the best in the league, with the MVPs to prove it. McNabb was in that second tier of QBs.

 

It’s not irrelevant...it’s exactly why he isn’t there and shouldn’t be.

He wasn’t among the very best at his position. He was second tier at his best.

 

Not necessarily. McNabb's are better statistically over his career.

Example - Warner threw for 32,344 passing yards, 208 passing touchdowns and 128 interceptions during his career. McNabb threw for 37,276 passing yards, 234 passing touchdowns and 117 interceptions during his NFL tenure.

 

McNabb also played more games. A little over 2.5 seasons worth I believe.

Warner also has a much better completion percentage.

 

It is irrelevant. I said McNabb is worse that everyone in his era that is in or surely going to be in the HoF. How does comparing him to them change anything? Who says he needs to be better than them to be in? He is the best of the rest and I think he is borderline, but probably on the wrong side.

 

Even if he is 'second tier', there is room for him and plenty of borderline members in already. My fav Fran Tarkenton never won a SB and he was a lock, lol.

 

He doesn’t belong in because he’s not better than those other guys. That’s why it not irrelevant.

What’s irrelevant is comparing McNabb to QBs from previous eras.

You compare players to players at their same position that they played at the same time with. By that measure...I can’t possibly see a valid argument that says McNabb should be a HOF player.

 

Personally I don’t think second tier players belong in the Hall.

There was a lengthy discussion about this and the word elite on another thread.

I personally think the NFL HOF gets watered down by letting in guys that weren’t elite at any point in their career.

I think there are quite a few guys in Canton that probably don’t actually belong there. Like Joe Namath.

 

I know eras matter. And I don't personally really compare him to guys in others eras and I never even made an argument for it. If you think I did you need to reread what I initially said.

But again you are missing my point. He doesn't need to be better than those other guys in his era. If all of those guys better than him are Hall of Famers it doesn't arbitrarily mean the next guy up automatically isn't one. That next man up is McNabb. I think he's borderline but probably out.

 

I’m not saying he isn’t a HOF player because those guys made it or will and therefore there’s no room for him.

I’m saying he isn’t because he simply wasn’t good enough. Good not great and good shouldn’t make you a HOF player.

I’m sure there are other players just as worthy as being called next man up but I’m also sure they, like McNabb, don’t have a strong enough case to be enshrined either.

 

That is a fine opinion. I don't think he should be in either. All I was saying is that the way you were arguing about what I said made no sense.

 

as a Eagles fan Mcnabb is NOT a HOF'er ! Not even close. His 4 losses in the NFC Title game stand out to me as a guy who couldn't win the big game and 4 of those games were at home ! Then in a SB that was winnable, he throws a int on the 2 yrd line in the endzone after the play before, also an int, was called back due to a NE penalty. the guy was a choker. his off the field antics, although not consideration for the HOF, even add to why he shouldn't be in the HOF to me. he's an asshole and a big mouth to boot. and watch what he drinks too.

 

Stop beating around the bush.

 

i beat that bush Will !