Good discussion going on everyone. After catching up I'll have to ponder and organize a few thoughts before I add anything to this nice thread.
@Duff_Beer_Doug you're more than welcome I'm not sure if it even fit into this thread but for some reason I was compelled to share it. I stumbled on it when I was about 16 and starting to experiment with different things; drugs, free love, yoga etc ... The principles of Buddhism makes sense to me although the religious aspect does not. I see it as the way that I want to lead my life and have tried for years.
That game was a lot of fun actually. I always loved a good simulation game. Always played SimCity and Civilization a lot. I still play the Sims because it's fun. City-State was a lot of fun as well. And Spore was kinda fun. Universe Sandbox might be my all time fav.
Good points. We have also re-engineered countless fruits and vegetables to either make them easier to eat or easier to grow. I still don't think it's all that different than mutual benefit. It's just relative to our evolution. If any other animal had evolved our level they would do the same. Great point, good question. Not a definitive answer but it's on the right track, I would think.
here is my 2 cents on this topic and the other topics that were raised mainly on page 1. I'm Catholic and was raised Catholic. 12 yrs of school and the whole nine yards. Parents were old school Catholics, raised that way from their parents. My Dad went to mass every day during Lent and Advent. He actually got down on his knees and prayed every night before he went to bed. We didn't have a lot of money, but he donated to the Church every Sunday mass. He died somewhat young at 65. My Mom, who died 26 years ago today, was also Catholic, but not as hard pressed as my Dad. We were raised to be good people and treat others fairly and equal (like Axe) said. There was no prejudice or racism in our house. My Dad had business colleagues of every color, creed and religion. My Dad didn't tolerate not treated others fairly or equally. However my brother, the Doctor, doesn't believe in God. I don't think he's an atheist, but he doesn't believe in what we were raised on anymore, even though he sent his kids to Catholic school. If my Dad was alive today, he would be ashamed and outraged at my brother. Moving on...I hope and pray there's a heaven, but I can't prove it's real. No one can. Whether you get hit by a train or die in your sleep, is there a heaven ? I hope so. Can I prove it ? No. I don't want my life to be over when I die or like BWW said "like the Soprano's and a black screen." I want something after I die. I wish to somehow see my parents again. Will I ? I just don't know? Dying is my greatest fear bc i don't know what else is out there. only way to find out is to die and that's 1 hell of a price to pay. I believe God created all of this, but I don't know why. If he didn't create all of this, I don't know who or what did or why? If there is a God, there are so many questions for him. Why do people get sick and die young? Little kids and stuff. How can some people be geniuses and some people have an IQ of 60? Why do some people live and \drink to 100 years old and some people die at 10 years old and never did anything bad ? Even me -- I'm the youngest of 8 children. Why is my one brother gifted in math to high levels and I hate it? Why is my other brother a brilliant Doctor and one of the smartest people I know and just went to college and live a basic life? Beats me? It's the hands we were dealt like one big Blackjack dealer of life. Why do we have planets at all versus something else ? I don't know? I could go on and on. Do we have a purpose? I think whomever or whatever created this planet and the life on it started out small with animals first as BWW said and then the caveman and we progressed from there on an incline upwards. trial and error as generations of men and woman existed before the next batch came that were better than the ones before and more advanced. as men progressed so did societies and the evolution of wayward movement towards a better life. more trial and error and we come all the way up to today. the evolution of man and the progress we have made in not only the 100 years, but the last 1000 is amazing. I'm sure in the next 500 years, they will say the same thing about us. i don't think anyone has all the answers bc it's too damn hard to prove who or what is behind it ? it's too hard for someone to have an answer to questions only the ones behind it can answer and that's not happening. i just keep living my life the best i can and try and set my self up for retirement. im good to people and try and help out others and hope they would do the same for me one day. all i can ask for. and no offense bww, evidence or not, i don't believe in time travel, alternate realities, verse timelines or anything else. yesterday is over and we can't go back to it. there's no Doc Brown flying Dolorean. there's no repeating what already happened in a day. hey, i love time travel shows and science fiction, but it's just that. to me it's not real. hey, 5 min ago is over and can't be repeated, so me going back into time isn't happening.
No offense taken. If time travel were real....and I believe it could be (just not like in movies and science fiction) it's probable that only moving forward in time is truly possible. Like through a worm hole. Backward travel could theoretically be possible but altering the past most likely isn't. Technically and relatively speaking, time travel is already possible. A person circling the planet in outer space would age far slower than a person standing on this planets surface. Time dilation, a part of the theory of relativity, is a form of time travel as well. So when you think of "time" being relative to the individual....in that a year to you could be different than a year to someone else that is someplace else....that opens the door to time travel.
The clock on the International Space Station ticks a bit slower than the clocks on Earth because of time dilation. Based on this....if you were able to launch yourself into space at the speed of light....go a certain distance into space and make an immediate u-turn and come right back.....you will have made a jump through time into the future. Let's say you were wearing a watch that you synced with a clock on earth when you did it.........the earth clock would have advanced in time further than the watch on your wrist. You traveled through time.
Here is something to read up on - https://physicsworld.com/a/do-atoms-going-through-a-double-slit-know-if-they-are-being-observed/ It expresses the idea that photons or base atoms may change their behavior when they know they are being observed. Why does this matter? First, it would prove that at an atomic level their is organization to chaos. Second, when combined with the string theory regarding multiple universes it creates the potential for more than one world to be right next to each other. In fact, there could be millions of universes layered and pushing off of each other but moving at a rate that the other does not recognize. Combining this with the holographic or simulation theory opens the possibility that we may not be viewing reality as a whole, but as a projection of the reality we are viewing. Considering our only connection to our reality is our perceptions, getting passed those perceptions to an expanded reality is a distinct possibility for future man. Or, if you look at the potential of A.I., one of the biggest leaps it could make over man would be the ability to perceive the universe outside of the construct that we initially provide for it. A truly sentient artificial intelligence would reorganize its world view to better serve its own purposes and would not be held back by preconceived notions. This would probably originate by it conceiving its own mathematical universe in which it could solve problems that we have not even scratched the surface of, or even had the opportunity to dream up. You can get a better glimpse of some of this by taking in this short article on some of the possibilities - https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-universes-5-theories.html
This is absolute science, so time travel to the future by the conventions of which we know it here on Earth is already proven. It's one of the reasons why deep space travel will ultimately have an impact beyond simply pushing a group of people out into the void in search of potential habitable planets. It also includes the time lag between when they arrive. There may be an even greater push on the clock once certain speeds of travel exist, new distances are broken and the eventual entering of another solar system.
i get that, but that's all well and good. i thought you were referring to time travel like Back to the Future. haha. as for as alternate realities, it's like Back to the Future and made up. I saw the movie Contact and that wormhole did nothing but bring Jodie Foster to her own imaginary world. There's no wormhole bringing me back to save my parents from dying young. I believe in God and that's a lot to believe in. Believing in wormholes, time travel like the movies and alternate time lines is really hard to fathom.
i thought it was impossible to send a man via rocket to a planet farther than Mars because we don't have enough power/rocket fuel on this planet to send them there?? there isn't enough power on the entire planet to save up and store to send a rocket with a man on it to say Jupiter or Saturn let alone another universe? it would take years for them to get there and the rocket can't store that much fuel ?
There are other means of fuel and other methods being developed to move us out into space, but the bigger point would be that what we can do now will not be the limit to what we can do soon. The one that probably makes the most sense for us currently is utilizing small scale nuclear reactions/explosions to propel a vessel, while another one being looked at (and the particle collider has specifically looked at the potential already) is to recreate miniature black holes to utilize the energy created. There is also the ability to sail on solar winds and to utilize methods of power that regenerate continually. Some of the advancements being made involve techs that utilize base elements to harvest other gaseous elements that can be used as fuel. Once you have the craft up to speed maintaining that motion is less of an issue. I'll look it up when I get a moment, but I believe Elon Musk already charted a plan that would take us there and back with way less fuel consumption than what NASA had suggested only 7 years ago.
https://www.inverse.com/article/512...ine-for-getting-to-mars-and-starting-a-colony https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nasa-rocket-fuel-mars Basically, Musk's ultimate goal is to use the moon as a launch point to Mars. Then use Mars as a launch point for getting farther into the galaxy. They are working on how to harvest fuel from Mars to push farther out and to lessen the load for a return trip.
interesting. but can they land on other planets? i thought they determined the surfaces of the other planets and they are not sustainable for human life. why go then? and what crazy SOB will leave his family for years to do it ? and what will the cost be ?
