RULES FOR DRAFT VALUE CHALLENGE IMPORTANT PLEASE PM ENTRIES TO @LAOJoe WITH THE CHALLENGE IN THE TITLE. YOU HAVE UNTIL ONE HOUR BEFORE THE DRAFT TO SUBMIT YOUR PICKS. We use the results of LAOJoe And RTTRUTH's 10th Annual Mock as the starting point. The entire mock is here: https://live4sportnetwork.com/forum/threads/laojoe-rttruths-10th-annual-official-mock-draft.21218/ We each choose players we think would be taken earlier, later or around the same spot in the real draft compared to our "official" mock. You get points depending on what happens. We each pick 2 players per round who we think will get drafted higher and 2 we think would get drafted lower. We also choose 1 guy per round we think is closest to their exact spot. We also predict 2 UDFAs who were picked that would actually get drafted and 2 guys entirely not selected. EXAMPLE of Picks at the bottom. The nature of the scoring could see the winner emerge with a negative score. The extreme values are almost impossible to get but they can make or break you. A full round means the same spot or greater in the next/previous round and NOT necessarily 32 picks. Risers/Fallers >6-7 Full Rounds= 60 points Faller/70 Riser >5-6 Full Rounds= 50 points Faller/60 Riser >4-5 Full Rounds= 40 points Faller/50 Riser >3-4 Full Rounds= 30 points Faller/40 Riser >2-3 Full Rounds= 20 points Faller/30 Riser >1- 2 Full Rounds= 10 points Faller/20 Riser 17-Full Round= 8 points Faller/10 Riser 11-16= 6 points 6-10= 3 points 1-5= 1 point 0=0 points If your faller pick is actually a riser you: lose 5 points +1 points for every spot. Maximum of -35 points. If your riser pick is actually a faller you: lose 5 points +1 point for every spot. If he goes undrafted you lose an extra 10. Maximum of -35 points; -40 if undrafted. Extra Rule: Mispicking an undrafted player from this mock to be drafted will give you -15. Extra Rule: Correctly picking an undrafted player from this mock to be drafted gives you 10 points per round. Closest to actual pick margin of error: 0= 50 points (30 points in Round 1) +/-1= 30 Points (25 points in Round 1, 40 points in Rounds 4+) +/-2= 20 points (25 points Rounds 4+) +/-3= 15 points (20 points Rounds 4+) +/-4= 10 points (15 points Rounds 4+) +/-5= 7 points (12 points Rounds 4+) +/-6= 5 points (10 points Rounds 4+) +/-7= 3 points (9 points Rounds 4+) +/-8= 1 points (8 points Rounds 4+) +/-9= 0points (7 points Rounds 4+) +/-10= -1 points (6 points Rounds 4+) +/-11= -2 points (5 points Rounds 4+) +/-12= -3 points (4 points Rounds 4+) +/-13= -4 points (3 points Rounds 4+) +/-14= -5 points (2 points Rounds 4+) +/-15= -6 points (1 points Rounds 4+) +/-16= -7 points (0 points Rounds 4+) +/-(17-one full round)= -10 points +/-Between >1-2 full rounds= -15 points +/->2-3 full rounds= -25 points +/->3+ full rounds= -35 points 1st-3rd Round undrafted = -50 points 4th Round undrafted= -40 points 5th round undrafted= -30 points 6th round undrafted= -20 points 7th round undrafted= -10 points ALSO in the 7th round you can only lose a maximum of 10 points if your guy is drafted AFTER his prediction. You can still lose more if he gets drafted earlier. EXTRA: A correctly undrafted guy gives you 20 points. If you guess wrong you lose 20 points. EXTRA: YOU CANNOT PICK ONE OF THE FIRST 6 PLAYERS DRAFTED FOR THE EXACT SPOT!! YOU ALSO CANNOT CHOOSE EITHER OF THE CORNELL PLAYERS DRAFTED IN THE 7TH ROUND AS A FALLER! HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF PICKS USING THE MOCK RESULTS FROM 3 YEARS AGO (7TH ANNUAL). NOTE THAT THE PICK POSITIONS ARE WHERE WE MOCKED THEM. Drafted Higher: 1(9) Joey Bosa 1(29) Ryan Kelly 2(6) Robert Nkemdiche 2(21) Hunter Henry 3(18) Deion Jones 3(30) Sean Davis 4(7) Bronson Kaufusi 4(29) James Bradberry 5(1) Kevin Byard 5(11) Nick Kwiatkowski 6(28) Jacoby Brissett 6(29) Parker Ehinger 7(7) Glenn Gronkowski 7(2) Tajae Sharpe UDFA. DT Vincent Valentine UDFA. CB Brandon Williams Completely Ignored. WR Tyreek Hill Completely Ignored. P Drew Kaser Drafted Lower: 1(13) Reggie Ragland 1(31) Noah Spence 2(11) Cody Whitehair 2(13) Kendall Fuller 3(12) Jerald Hawkins 3(21) Charone Peake 4(20) Alex McAllister 4(35) Sebastian Tretola 5(6) D.J. White 5(29) Will Monday 6(20) Michael Jordan 6(21) Joel Heath 7(13) Mike Matthews 7(19) Tre Madden Drafted Correctly: 1(23) Josh Doctson 2(16) Chris Jones 3(10) Pharoh Cooper 4(36) Joe Schobert 5(8) Matt Ioannidis 6(16) Keith Marshall 7(11) Brandon Allen UDFA. De'Runnya Wilson (i.e. selected as an UDFA here and correctly predicted not drafted.) We hope all of you mock GM's participate. Anyone is welcome. It's fun to see how things end up. Any remaining questions, just PM RTTRUTH or LAOJoe for answers. You can copy paste this and use it as your starting point Drafted Higher: 1() 1() 2() 2() 3() 3() 4() 4() 5() 5() 6() 6() 7() 7() UDFA. UDFA. Completely Ignored. Completely Ignored. Drafted Lower: 1() 1() 2() 2() 3() 3() 4() 4() 5() 5() 6() 6() 7() 7() Drafted Correctly: 1() 2() 3() 4() 5() 6() 7() UDFA.
DRAFTED HIGHER 1)(20 Devin Bush) 1)(23 Greedy Williams) 2)(10 Drew Lock) 2)(14 Daniel Jones) 3)(3 Darnell Savage) 3)(5 Jace Sternberger) 4)(23 David Edwards) 4)(28 Te’Von Coney) 5)(6 Trayveon Williams) 5)(34 Ryan Finley) 6)(10 Clayton Thorson) 6)(39 Drew Sample) 7)(8 Carl Granderson) 7)(20 Dexter Williams) UDFA)(Hunter Renfrow) UDFA)(Derrick Baity) Unmentioned DB Ugo Amadi S Darius West DRAFTED LOWER 1)(18 Oshane Ximines) 1)(10 Rashan Gary) 2)(25 Will Grier) 2)(29 Ben Banogu) 3)(19 LJ Collier) 3)(17 Gerald Willis) 4)(32 Albert Huggins) 4)(17Delvon Randall) 5)(20 Porter Gustin) 5)(4 Jahlani Tavai) 6)(6 Wes Hills) 6)(41 Jordan Ta’amu) 7)(1 Trace McSorley) 7)(30 Stephen Denmark) DRAFTED CORRECT 1)(8Ed Oliver) 2)(12 Irv Smith) 3)(13 Riley Ridley) 4)(2 Connor McGovern) 5)(11 Isaiah Prince) 6)(13 Corey Ballentine) 7)(19 Alex Bars) UDFA) Kaden Elliss - Idaho
Drafted Higher: 1(8) Ed Oliver 1(26) Byron Murphy 2(10) Drew Lock 2(14) Daniel Jones 3(2) Juan Thornhill 3(3)Darnell Savage Jr 4(31) Mecole Hardman 4(24) Trysten Hill 5(34) Ryan Finley 5(15) Bobby Evans 6(37) Jalen Hurd 6(14) Marvel Tell III 7(17) Evan Worthington 7(27) Shareef Miller UDFA - Ben Burr Kirven UDFA - Mark Fields Completely Ignored - Mitch Wishnowski Completely Ignored - Alexander Mattison Drafted Lower: 1(18) Oshane Ximines 1(11) Montez Sweat 2(3) Kelvin Harmon 2(19) Chase Winovich 3(17) Gerald Willis 3(12) Dax Raymond 4(14) Foster Moreau 4(15) Jaquon Johnson 5(7) James Williams 5(35) Otaro Alaka 6(9) Greg Gaines 6(16) Matt Gay 7(1) Trace McSorley 7(29) Chris Johnson Drafted Correctly: 1(7) Jawaan Taylor 2(1) Dalton Risner 3(34) Terry McLaurin 4(20) Gary Jennings 5(13) Beau Benzschawal 6(40) Tyre Brady 7(24) Joe Lowery UDFA - Darwin Thompson
Drafted Higher: 1(23) Greedy Williams: CB - LSU 1(24) Noah Fant: TE - Iowa 2(14) Daniel Jones: QB - Duke 2(25) Will Grier: QB - West Virginia 3(3) Darnell Savage Jr: S - Maryland 3(27) Damien Harris: RB - Alabama 4(8) Christian Miller: OLB - Alabama 4(13) Germaine Pratt: LB, NC State 5(9) Justice Hill: RB - Oklahoma St. 5(34) Ryan Finley: QB - North Carolina State 6(10) Clayton Thorson: QB - Northwestern 6(15) Myles Gaskin: RB - Washington 7(13) Mike Bell: S - Fresno State 7(21) Cameron Smith: LB - USC UDFA. Josiah Tauaefa: LB - UTSA UDFA. Ben Burr-Kirven: LB - Washington Completely Ignored. Ugo Amadi: S - Oregon Completely Ignored. Ka'dar Hollman: CB - Toledo Drafted Lower: 1(15) D.K. Metcalf: WR - Mississippi 1(18) Oshane Ximines: DE - Old Dominion 2(4) Amani Oruwariye: CB - Penn State 2(26) Charles Omenihu: DL - Texas 3(6) Chuma Edoga: OT - USC 3(12) Dax Raymond: TE - Utah State 4(17) Delvon Randall: S - Temple 4(30) Dennis Daley: OT - South Carolina 5(25) Armon Watts: DL - Arkansas 5(35) Otaro Alaka: LB - Texas A&M 6(20) Greg Dortch: WR - Wake Forest 6(35) Olisaemeka Udoh: OL - Elon 7(8) Carl Granderson: OLB - Wyoming 7(10) Emeke Egbule: LB - Houston Drafted Correctly: 1(7) Jawaan Taylor: OT - Florida 2(13) Dre'Mont Jones: DT - Ohio State 3(26) Khalen Saunders: DT - Western Illinois 4(10) Nate Davis: G - Charlotte 5(21) John Cominsky: DL - Charleston 6(5) Daniel Wise: DL - Kansas 7(15) Mathieu Betts: DE - Laval UDFA. Austin Siebert: PK - Alabama
This year's edition: Drafted Higher: 1(23) Greedy Williams - -28 1(30) Deandre Baker - 0 2(9) Hollywood Brown - +6 2(10) Drew Lock - 0 3(3) Darnell Savage - +20 3(8) Zach Allen - +3 4(3) Lonnie Johnson - +20 4(6) Max Scharping - +20 5(12) Mike Edwards - +20 5(34) Ryan Finley - +20 6(2) Jordan Brown - -35 6(8) Kris Boyd - -35 7(20) Dexter Williams - +10 7(27) Shareef Miller - +30 UDFA. Hunter Renfrow - +30 UDFA. Caleb Wilson - +10 Completely Ignored. Ka'dar Hollman, DB - +20 Completely Ignored. Jalen Guyton, WR - -15 Drafted Lower: 1(10) Rashan Gary - +1 1(18) Oshane Ximines - +20 2(26) Charles Omenihu - +20 2(29) Ben Banogu - -22 3(12) Dax Raymond - +40 3(35) Tj Edwards - +40 4(4) Benny Snell - +6 4(23) David Edwards - +10 5(20) Porter Gustin - +20 5(22) Nate Herbig - +20 6(18) Jamal Davis - +10 6(21) Hamp Cheevers - +10 7(1) Trace McSorley - -28 7(6) Nick Fitzgerald - +8 Drafted Correctly: 1(14) Christian Wilkins - +25 2(12) Irv Smith - +5 3(5) Jace Sternberger - +5 4(11) Isaiah Buggs - -25 5(28) Trey Pipkins - -25 6(7) Damarkus Lodge - -20 7(7) Martez Ivey - -10 UDFA. Kyle Phillips - +20 Preliminary points (I think): +226
Drafted Higher: 1() 1() 2() 2() 3() 3() 4() 4() 5() 5() 6() 6() 7() 7() UDFA. UDFA. Completely Ignored. Completely Ignored. Drafted Lower: 1() 1() 2() 2() 3() 3() 4() 4() 5() 5() 6() 6() 7() 7() Drafted Correctly: 1() 2() 3() 4() 5() 6() 7() UDFA
"completely ignored" - What are you looking for here? It's never really explained in the rules, and I can never remember. Is it a player that wasn't touched at all in the mock, and you think he'll get drafted? Or it a player that was picked in the mock, and you think he'll be ignored in real draft?
A player who was not mocked or signed as a UDFA in our mock. Basically a player whose name you won’t find in our draft anywhere but you believe will get drafted.
Drafted Higher: 1(26) Byron Murphy -12 1(8) Ed Oliver - 6 2(8) Dexter Lawrence +10 2(10) Drew Lock +0 3(3) Darnell Savage Jr. +20 3(8) Zach Allen +3 4(3) Lonnie Johnson Jr. +20 4(24) Trystan Hill +30 5(34) Ryan Finley +20 5(13) Beau Benzschawel -40 6(9) Greg Gaines +20 6(8) Kris Boyd -35 7(39) Preston Williams -16 7(27) Shareef Miller +30 UDFA. Ryquell Armstead +30 UDFA. Caleb Wilson +1 Completely Ignored. 0 Completely Ignored. 0 Drafted Lower: 1(18) Oshane Ximines +20 1(11) Montez Sweat +6 2(29) Ben Banogu -18 2(26) Charles Omenihu +20 3(12) Dax Raymond +30 3(35) TJ Edwards +30 4(21) Elijah Holyfield +20 4(33) Maxx Crosby -34 5(35) Otaro Alaka +10 5(10) Joe Giles-Harris +10 6(7) Demarkus Lodge +10 6(6) Wes Hills +8 7(15) Mathieu Betts +8 7(16) Easton Stick +8 Drafted Correctly: 1(7) Jawaan Taylor -10 2(7) Parris Campbell -10 3(14) JJ Arcega-Whiteside -10 4(11) Isaiah Buggs -25 5(28) Trey Pipkins -25 6(15) Miles Gaskin -10 7(8) Carl Granderson -10 UDFA. Jack Fox 30 (?) Provisional Total - 133
Ah hadn't read that bit, my bad. I'll change it and get rid of the Cornell player in the 7th too. How come that second part is a rule by the way?
Essentially Joe and I decided that to keep it challenging anyone who had less than a 1% chance of being drafted wasn’t able to be picked as a faller. TD took some kid from Toledo because he was a friend of the family or something. He had zero shot at being drafted. None of us had even heard of him. Much like the two kids from Cornell this year. P.S. Take a shot at someone unknown potentially getting drafted, because we lose points for not getting one. So you might as well try (when in doubt, some DB probably best bet)
Well I thought he was actually bright enough that maybe he had a shot at a practice squad as a developmental.. He did get two tryouts, Carolina and Tampa, but no UDFA contract offer...It was a total heart pick, and they wisely ruled him out of this. FTR: That kid, Josh Hendershot, went back to Toledo as a grad asst coach and earned his masters in Criminology. A couple months ago his hard work paid off. After two seasons at UT, John Harbaugh recently hired him to be an assistant O-line coach at Michigan. Not a bad wage, and more free school...He wants the NFL some day, and I don't doubt he'll get there.
Well that's not my fault. No doubt he was off radars... But he was in the starting line-up at Toledo for three seasons. Almost all of it at OT.
