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I think a lot of the QBs we can talk about fall into this category. They were never bad....but they needed to be on teams that had other things going for them.

You can put a lot of current QB's in that category....Goff, Trubisky, Watson.....until they prove they are the type of QB that can be the difference maker on the team.

 

Here's numbers to show it better...

2018:
1.1 Baker Mayfield, looks the part of a franchise QB
1.3 Sam Darnold, became starter in 2018, we'll see
1.7 Josh Allen, became starter, again, we'll see
1.10 Josh Rosen, became starter, reports are Cardinals already want to move on
1.32 Lamar Jackson, playoff starting QB
3.76 Mason Rudolph, behind Roethlisberger

2017:
2.2 Mitchell Trubisky, playoff starting QB
2.10 Patrick Mahomes, NFL MVP, 1 year starter
2.12 Deshaun Watson, starter, had injury issues
2.52 Deshone Kizer, on his second team after starting entire rookie season
3.87 Davis Webb, backup to Eli, not in the conversation to take over the Giants job
3.104 C.J. Beathard, 49ers backup, not starting caliber in the NFL

2016:
1.1 Jared Goff, playoff caliber starting QB
1.2 Carson Wentz, juries out due to multiple years of injuries
1.26 Paxton Lynch, Denver looking for starter, on his second team
2.51 Christian Hackenberg, playing in the AAFA
3.91 Jacoby Brissett, on his second team as a backup
3.93 Cody Kessler, on his third team as a backup
4.100 Connor Cook, playing in the AAFA
4.135 Dak Prescott, PLAYOFF STARTER

2015:
1.1 Jameis Winston, starter since rookie
1.2 Marcus Mariota, starter since rookie
3.75 Garrett Grayson, on his 3rd NFL team as backup, AAFA player
3.89 Sean Mannion, backup, chose Jared Goff after he was drafted

2014:
1.3 Blake Bortles, currently unemployed
1.22 Johnny Manziel, currently unemployed
1.32 Teddy Bridgewater, on his second team as a backup
2.36 Derek Carr, starter on a team picking #4 overall in the draft. Only one winning season in 5 tries
2.62 Jimmy Garoppolo, second team, might be starter caliber but has only started 8 games in 1.5 years with 49ers due to injuries.

2013:
1.16 EJ Manuel, on his 3rd team as backup
2.39 Geno Smith, on his 3rd team as backup
3.73 Mike Glennon, on his 3rd team as backup

2012:
1.1 Andrew Luck playoff caliber starter
1.2 Robert Griffin, short story is on his 3rd team as backup..injury might have been a different outcome
1.8 Ryan Tannehill, only had 1 winning season as a 6 year starter, team is looking for his replacement
1.22 Brandon Weeden, on his 5th team as a backup
2.57 Brock Osweiler, on his 5th team as a backup
3.75 Russell Wilson, PLAYOFF CALIBER STARTER
3.88 Nick Foles, PLAYOFF CALIBER STARTER...* on a team that had all but made the playoffs. Super Bowl MVP

2011:
1.1 Cam Newton, Playoff caliber starter
1.8 Jake Locker, unemployed
1.10 Blaine Gabbert, on his 4th team as backup
1.12 Christian Ponder, unemployed
2.35 Andy Dalton, never won a playoff game in 8 years as starter, team looking for his replacement
2.36 Colin Kaepernick, **unemployed, extenuating circumstances, arguable on his caliber.
3.74 Ryan Mallett, unemployed

2010:
1.1 Sam Bradford, bust...some claim injuries, we'll never know. Never had a winning season
1.25 Tim Tebow, unemployed
2.48 Jimmy Clausen, unemployed
3.85 Colt McCoy, third team as backup

2009:
1.1 Matthew Stafford, 10 year starter, still going strong
1.5 Mark Sanchez, on his 6th team as backup
1.17 Josh Freeman, unemployed for 3 years
2.44 Pat White, unemployed for 5 years


That's ten years of drafted QBs in the first 3 rounds...with the exception of Dak Prescott's year that he was drafted in the 4th round.

If I missed any starters from other rounds, please let me know.

That's:
54 drafted QBs
22 starting QBs out of the 32 current starters
6 #1 draft picks, all of them still starters. 27% of the 22 starters
12 starters from the top 10, 55% of the starters

5...number of starters outside the top ten not playing on their rookie contracts.. 23% of the starters outside the top ten of 23 possible players.

86% of the #1 overall picks are still starters...6 out of 7, Sam Bradford is the exception

 

Then you missed the point, I was trying to say it isn't as easy to get the right guy, without getting your top guy. The only way you are sure to get him is to be in the #1 spot.

 

This list doesn't drive home the idea that you have to trade up to get your guy. Especially if we are talking about it in the context of a team that currently has the #6 and #17 picks.

 

Well in all fairness your point seems to mutate into something different each time you post...so maybe you can start each post by clearly saying....this is my point and then clearly type it out.

That would help my obvious comprehension problems causes by your purposeful obtrusiveness.

I bow out of this because I'm out of ways to say that I think the Giants trading up would be a really bad idea. Which....if you haven't been following along closely enough....is really my only point.

 

No, it drives home that if you have "your guy" your best bet at getting him is at #1 overall. You are the one going off on a tangent about trading.

My point is, if you want to get your guy, that is most likely how you are going to get him..It's by far the highest percentage odds.

 

Someone needs to explain this to me like I'm a 3rd grader...

How does professing your undying love for a QB at #1 create an atmosphere where other teams believe they can trade up to your spot and take the QB you are so desperate to make your starting QB? And for the record I've read this lots of other places so I'm not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about. I just don't get it.

 

It doesn't, it merely gets other teams talking about the QB that you hope feel worthy of trading up to get.

Once the draft draws nearer, there stance will most likely be, they invested in Rosen, so they are focusing on getting more tools around him. They have never publicly confessed to wanting to replace him, it's all hearsay. However, it gets him in the talk that he is a #1 overall pick value. Using something that an assistant coach once said before they were on staff is a great way to get the ball rolling. Then putting it out there that they might consider offers for Rosen fuels the fire that "at least SOMEONE" sees Murray as the #1 overall pick type player...making others think it also.

There is all kinds of shit put out, that really has no relevance to what teams are really thinking..it's just that much harder when you own the #1 overall pick and would actually like to trade out of it, but want to get max value.

 

Unless I missed it, I don't think the Cards professed undying love for Murray - they just said Rosen is their QB...for now.

Look at it this way, if the Cards DON'T express some interest in Murray - they say "Rosen's our guy" - then teams don't come to them, figuring Murray will simply fall. 49ers, Jets, Raiders and Bucs after them certainly aren't locks to take a QB.

 

It goes back to that stupid Kingsberry quote from the college season. "I would take Kyler Murray #1 overall!" Then he winds up the head coach of the team with the first overall pick and now we have a fabricated story everyone!

Keim basically said it was BS but then they changed their tune -- smoke and mirror season folks. If they are serious, as the Giants, I would trade for Rosen in a heart beat.

 

Yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Every QB needy team is going to do an exhaustive evaluation on the QB prospects. I seriously doubt they are going to care that (according to the media) the Cardinals were really high on him but ultimately not high enough to dump Rosen and pull the trigger.

If I'm the Cardinals GM and trying to create a market for the #1 pick I think I would take the exact opposite approach. I would say #1 was up for bid and we're listening to all offers. Don't let someone else take your QB.

 

True. It came from people at the combine who said based on what was happening there they are certain Rosen is on the market and Murray is the #1 pick.

Yeah I don't get that. The one place you absolutely know you are going to get your guy is at #1. You can negotiate all day for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th picks if you like but all it takes is for someone to go up to #1 and you lose out.

 

I do believe they actually already did say something to that effect.... I'm pretty sure they said something like, "we will consider all options."

 

This I agree with 100%...it's the only way to secure your guy if you are adamant about him.

 

Yeah like I said I've read this theory multiple places. It just makes little sense to me. If they truly covet Murray no one is going to be able to offer them enough to get them out of the 1st pick. If they don't then it's open season. Reminds me a little of last year when people were talking about the Browns trying to drum up interest in the 1st pick. They were never trading out of the spot.

 

Right ... but what if the Cards weren't sold on any one player at #1? If they were comfortable with 2-3 options. Wouldn't you try to drum up business and get a bevy of draft picks for that slot?

 

I hate to say this, but since we have Baker I can...if someone had offered (4) first rounders, they probably would have traded out...

 

You said, just a few posts above, that the only way to secure "your guy" is to pick at #1. So, if Baker was "their guy", do you think they would have traded out? Or do you think that Dorsey and Co don't share your belief?

 

Everyone has a price...

 

Yes but that's kind of my point. I don't see how allowing rumors to fester that they love Murray and Rosen is on the block helps them make the #1 pick more valuable to others. Maybe it's a Jedi thing.