WEEK 8 - STEELER WEEK....Cle at Pit

That is possible. I may be misremembering but in my mind's eye I don't think he did and I seem to recall he was surprised by a guy coming off a missed block (aka didn't pick that up) but I may be misremembering - memory is a tricky thing. I am going to go try and find it on youtube now.

 

Just watched it , check out the youtube highlights from that game - he had one hand loosely on the ball and another trying to stiff arm a guy already past him who caused the fumble. No situational awareness, not aware of the specific missed block either except too late and to attempt an ill advised stiff arm - it was a first down play (I think) with about 8 minutes left in the game and protecting a 21-7 lead.

The Browns were lucky it wasn't ruled that the guy who recovered the fumble didn't fumble (himself) through the end zone there (which I thought he may have done - I do not think he re-secured the ball).


Start watching at the 8-minute mark (in the video which is also coincidentally about the amount of time left in the game when the Steelers who had just gotten the ball back from the Browns stopping a 4th down play, inexplicably Conner made a serious young player mistake on first down and in that situation both specifically and generally):

 

I don't need to watch the clip. The fact of the matter is . . . it was ruled a forced fumble initiated by a Cleveland Brown and was recovered by a Cleveland Brown.

I know its hard, but you just need to acknowledge that the lowly 1-31 Cleveland Browns went toe to toe with the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers and ended up taking them into overtime for a tie. Get used to it. It may not happen this Sunday but it will start happening again with regularity in the not too distant future.

#WithOrWithoutHue

 

In Pgh news: Leveon Bell exited his house to pick up mail.

 

Well I don't know why you're wasting your time either, because IMO this take is pretty ridiculous...So what has the military been teaching people for all these years? What do ya mean, you either have discipline or you don't? I don't have any choice but to call bullshit on that. lol! C'mon. Are you kidding? Coaching is all about teaching discipline..Look at the Patriots....Well coached teams don't have all the confusion and breakdowns that we have every week. Well coached teams don't jump offsides in the clutch moments of the game, or have false starts 10 times a week, or consistently waste TO's.,, Surely I could go on and on with examples, but if you think people are just born with discipline, I guess I'm wasting my time...

You should be upset with our lousy head coach , not with the people who are upset with the coach....Rather than simply casting off Hue's growing number of critics as some sort of clueless lynch mob, maybe just realize his considerable shortcomings.....Hue Jackson is a terrible head coach. We can give him a pass on the 0-16, and I'm pretty sure he's still the worst of all time...

 

I'm not sure on the nature / nurture part of the discipline discussion. I'm inclined to agree with Lyman on that. But I am beginning to become an old and crusty man now and when I look back on my life I can see from all the observations things that with something like discipline it occurs to me Lyman is right. I think, TopDawg, people who lack discipline never make it to the military in the first place, or if they do they don't make it long. Maybe a few do. Maybe the few that do go right back to being undisciplined after the period of "forced discipline" has ended. Some people are more type A disciplined and that's nature and some are more creative and all over the place and that's nature too. Just my 0.02 cents. Hopefully a little wisdom in there. Or I could be an old fool who has it wrong.

 

lol! I'm just gonna leave it at that...

 

@TopDawg beat me to it!!

 

#firehue #hirebob

 

Technically, he studied under Steve Mariucci at the college level (Cal) and John Robinson (USC). In the NFL, he studied under Steve Spurrier and Marty Schottenheimer (WAS).

He'd been a coach to some degree for 17 years before Marvin Lewis got his hands on him.

 

To be honest... I'm not feeling great about Bob Wiley. Dude's offensive line has been playing on roller skates all season and not helping out our running game or rookie quarterback in the least.

Lincoln Riley can name his staff once the ink dries. I just hope he leaves Gregggggg Williams in tact because I want the defense in the hands of a veteran NFL coordinator. (Plus, we know OU doesn't know the first thing about playing defense.)

 

I'll tell you what, TD. How about I just keep my crusty, old, senile opinions to myself. In 70 years worth of life experiences, I have always tried to respect other's opinions. I haven't always agreed with them but I have always respected them. I have always, at least, listened to them without telling them they're full of shit.

 

Well, I'm probably in the minority here but I think Hue sticks around and is with us in 2019. This isn't a "put out or get out season" for him. Hell, he could lose the rest of his games, finishing with 2.5 wins, as long as this team is playing like it has and is competitive in most of their games. 4 of 7 games went to OT. Six of our games (not counting the Chargers) have been decided by a total of 16 points. They lead the league in turnovers created (20) after a grand total of 13 last year. Injuries at WR and a OL that needs time to learn/gel (especially LT D.Harrison) are their biggest problems. Add a little lack of depth at a couple other places to that mix too.

This team is on the rise, just maybe not as fast as some of our more enthusiastic posters are expecting. I'm glad somebody thinks highly/expects great things of our team, but Hue is going to be here for all of 2018. The only way he's gone is if they suddenly go belly-up into a tail spin and play like they have the last two years. Pretty sure the Haslams don't have Hue on a "win count" to keep his job. Next year?.........I'd say definitely yes, he's going to have to get the wins or collect unemployment.

 

I agree with this.

 

Hopefully they want to follow the Steelers example and try to hold onto Hue for ten seasons before finally realizing Hue will never reach.500

 

That said...

So Hue's record leading or tied in the fourth is 2-10-1 (0.192).

Also, this is in that tweet's thread, but this is an eerie recap from his last game in Oakland. Sounds like literally nothing has changed with this guy.

 

What the hell?? There's a big difference between saying "I call bullshit on that one", and saying "you're full of shit"...lol! I can't tell if it's sarcasm, or thin skin over a joke, or if you really are in a twist because I don't agree with your take that discipline is just something people are born with? The crusty old man line wasn't even mine. lol! I just thought it was a hilarious way to hopefully end it. We've never agreed on anything, and I've never swayed your opinion (to my knowledge) on anything, so I was ready to just let it go.....FTR: Just because you are 70, doesn't mean my 50 years don't count.

I don't have to agree with your takes any more than you have to agree with mine...If you don't think good coaches have anything to do with team discipline, that's up to you. It's still ridiculous IMO, but up to you none the less...

 

Vince Lombardi had his players so disciplined that they couldn’t even fart unless he approved of their method.

 

We haven't had a tough disciplined team since Mangini was here . 10 or more penalties a game is undisciplined and yes you can teach it .You put a boot in there asses ! The tough love approach works .

Hueless MUST GO! take the ST coach with ya .

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...at-hue-jackson-could-save-the-browns-offense/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ling-browns-dont-need-to-re-invent-the-wheel/

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/23/browns-tied-for-most-penalties-through-week-7/

FWIW: ^^^These are the headlines...It's not just me belaboring a point.