I will fully admit I have been hard on MT. But, I am not a hater. I am calling it like I see it. He was not good last season. He was border-line "bad". I want to put last season aside for a minute (although not ignore) and focus on what we saw Sunday night. I think everyone on this board, as well as most of the NFL nation will say that MT looked like a pro-bowl level QB in the first half of the game. He had 120 + yards. His completion rating was +70%. he was throwing down field, he was executing the game plan as designed. He was hitting receivers in stride. He was throwin to a spot and not to a receiver. He was confident. The second half? Well, that was a disaster. While he was still completing passes at a high percentage (he finished with a 66% completion ratio) he was not throwing down field anymore. No, he was reduced to throwing the majority of his passes near-to or behind the LOS. So what changed? It's pretty simple: The play calling changed. Now, that is not to say that he did not look like a dear caught in head-lights for the last 2 drives. He was absolutely in WAY over his head. But, what was the key factor in putting Mitch in that position? Simple. We were completely out-coached. Our play-calling was a disaster. The Packers came back from half-time with a new game plan on both O and D. On O, they went to a hurry up. They called quick outs. Quick slants. And kept our D players on the field by going no-huddle. They made it so we could not swap out our defensive players and attacked. We did not adjust our D. On defense, they brought their safeties up, attacked our QB on odd man blitzes, and defied us to beat them deep.... We didn't even try. We did adjust our offense. We adjusted to exactly what they thought we would. We went to a "run the clock out" offense. They knew we would. They bitch slapped it. At one point in the second half, he had completed, what... 8 of 11 passes for 25 yards? You can't win games by attacking a defense behind your own LOS. So, I don't blame Trubisky for putting us in position to lose. The coaches cost us the game. We went with the same D while they converted their O to a quick release attack O. We changed our O to a low-risk, underneath, clock-killing O, while they brought their safeties ups, and went on attack. Did Trubs miss a few passes? Absolutely. He did overthrow a few guys including a wide open TD. He was not perfect. But, he didn't throw the ball to the other team. Had he done so, he would be in the Cutler category. Trubisky has not showed me anything yet to make me believe is the real deal. But, Sundays game didn't make me worry about him any more. It made me worry about our coaches.
I do agree that it's more of a "blind leading the blind situation". Nagy in the post game interviews even referred to it as a "learning experience" for the coaching staff. If the coaching staff still doesn't know exactly what they're doing the players performances will reflect it.
There’s a reason you don’t see a starting left tackle split out wide in a bunch formation on the right very often in the NFL. Or, more accurately, never. Because it’s fucking stupid. It’s about as tricky as lining up in the wildcat and putting your QB in motion. We all know it’s not going to that side. Fans won’t fall for that shit, much less NFL defenses. You’re actually telegraphing the play more than you are disguising it. Just line up like a professional football team and run a professional fucking play, and let your players that you drafted high, picked in free agency, and gave contracts to, do their jobs. That’s why gadgety asswipe college coaches don’t last in the NFL. Pro defenses are much too smart for amateur hour subterfuge. Strap it up, and play football. Call the right plays against the right defenses, run clean routes, protect the QB, run the ball to open up the pass, then pass to all parts of the field. If you can’t do that, then get guys that can.
I share the sentiment that coaches deserve most of the blame, for that individual loss. I do feel you're underselling it a bit with Trubisky tho. He missed plenty of passes that he's just got to make. That he should be able to make. Looking ahead, we'll see how it plays out, but gotta say i feel more comfortable that the coaches can turn it around than Trubisky. On the D side, they were totally gassed at the end. Let guys get their football legs under them, let Mack and Noquan get up to speed, that D is gonna be fine. On the O side, coaches are gonna be able to analyse what happened and why and, for now, i have to believe that smart people will be able to adjust their performance accordingly. Trubisky's play tho troubles me greatly. That deer in the headlights look, ive seen a LOT of QB's come and go over the years that had that look, a lot of QB's who could never get past the mental aspect of it and become a success. I know about Trubisky's low number of college starts, i know hasn't played a full season's worth of NFL football yet.... but he HAS got enough starts now that he really shouldn't be thrown off so easily. That was the biggest shock to me of that entire game to me, how easily Trubisky was thrown off rhythm. How little it took for him to lose control of himself. The offensive coaches have had one game, they prob deserve a little more time. Trubisky is further down the line, and i don't like how it looks.
Mongo that is a really good read, thanks. I would like to ask if you think whether the point of Rodgers return to the game could have thrown Trub off in a big way. That entire stadium lit up and there was a massive level of noise directed towards the Packers by their fans. Doesn't being surrounded by that level of noise impact on your capabilities to think clearly? I really wondered about that.
Luckily, the bears run into a seemingly declining Seattle defense this upcoming Monday, at home. No Kam Chancellor, no Sherman, Michael Bennett is gone, Sheldon Richardson gone. Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner still there though...... Regardless, they gave up 475 yards of offense to the Broncos. I'm with Mongo, I think Nagy needs to simplify and tailor a game to his QB more. 2 Denver RBs, Freeman and Lindsay both averaged near 5 YPC. Yeah there needs to be a very healthy dose of Jordan Howard. Howard needs to set up the cute shit, and hopefully Nagy's ego after his kick in the nuts on Sunday corrals his desire to be dumb and cute when he doesn't fucking have to be. On paper, Burton will likely be covered by Thomas or MacDougled, which means AR and whomever is the #2 line up on Thorpe and the Griffen brother who has both hands at CB. Rookie Tre Flowers also saw a lot of time against Denver. All were torched by Case Keenum. I would also continually attack Barkevious Mingo because he guesses wrong a lot. I don't want to see Dion Simms unless its to help out Masshole or Leno. I also want to see him attack the Griffin brother with only 1 hand's handless side. Terrific story, but attack. He doesn't have a left hand
Well, I don't see a bathroom rapist of an unconscious woman who he had to pay a lot of money for under the table..... Or a clever attempt at being anything other than a douchebag.
Not my point. Wasn’t trolling. I just see those similarities. Big Dumb has and has had his problems. No denying that. Wanna talk football now or do you want to shit your pants here in front of everyone?
I don't think him coming in threw Trubs off. Let's face facts, the two are never on the field at the same time. I do think the crazy looks that the Packrs were throwing at him threw him off. There was one play I recall where they had 7 men on the LOS with 4 of them on our RT. They then pulled 3 of those guys back into coverage and blitzed from the left. I do think it threw our coaching staff off. Particularly Fangio. Fangio absolutely needed to adjust his D to what the Packers offense was doing. He didn't and Rogers tore us up.
Definitely not trolling. Okay, cupcake. You’re comparing a kid who just started his 13th career NFL game, 1st in a brand new offense to rick Mirer. Not premature or anything but hey, see what you want. I’d want to avoid watching/talking about my team too if they tied the browns.
Been talking about the Steelers too. Multi-task/talent, whatever. It’s pretty obvious that I’ll have better luck talking to a toddler than you “pat”. I know it’s fairly early but I see some similarities. Not what Bears fans wanna hear but that’s what I see. I had forgotten RM played for CHI, I was mostly thinking the Seattle years. 53.3% // a dozen-ish TDS// a dozen-ish INTs// decent runner when necessary// reads// decision making ... stop me when you’ve seen enough. Trubisky (and maybe the coaching staff) are holding the Bears back. Not trolling, just observing. Too bad some of the Bears fans here have a strictly Bears fans talk going on, you’re missing out on a lot more football and discussions. My guess is, I’ll have about 3 or 4 extra weeks at the end of the season to talk more about Pittsburgh, so enjoy me while you can.
Might've been nice to have a QB thats allowed to check to a run in that situation... Not make excuses for Fangio, because i thought he could've been more aggressive, particularly with more blitzing from the secondary maybe. Which is something he employed increasingly throughout last season. But while that starting 11 looks great, there still isn't depth on that Defense. I look at what Pettine did to adjust, playing a lot of Dime. He's got a lot of guys he can trust in his secondary now. That might've been a very nice play for Fangio to make after Rodgers came back in, but who is Fangio's 6 DB's? We know the Corners and the Safeties, but then you need 2 more. There's no depth at all at Safety, that means putting both Callahan AND Cooper in there. Does that sound like a good idea to anyone? Im not sure an extra dose of Marcus Cooper would've worked out much better. Aside from Kyle Fuller who can't catch, it was on the Offense to close out that game. And they blew it.
Upon further review, I take back everything I wrote... I thought this was an edited picture. Nope. This really happened. Trubisky checked down and we lost 5 yards on this play. https://twitter.com/search?q=dan+durkin&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search
What you've described there could prob apply to quite a lot of young QB's if you wanted it to though. The only point i would make here is that Mirer played 4 years in Seattle. 3 of them he was the starter, the 4th maybe i don't really remember. But he was given literally years before people decided this or that. After a rough 1st year, he came back and was the starter again. And after a bad 2nd year he came back and was the starter...again. He was given time. Players aren't given time anymore. People can't wait to make rush judgements. This is truly the age of impatience. And yes, to some extent we're all guilty of it. Here we are(Bears fans) analyzing how Trubisky is doing. Maybe too much. But very few Bears fans, including me, are throwing the kid on the scrap heap yet. And ive seen no other Bears fan comparing Trubisky to this QB or that QB yet, much less one with such negative connotations. Something to think about huh.
Perhaps Alex Smith-esque. A guy who def had some early struggles but got through it and is now enjoying the productive years of a fine career. Sorry i am being too positive for your narrative?
