There are a few things about Baker Mayfield's ability to play QB that I think separate him completely from Taylor; 1. Vision. Mayfield is always keeping his eyes downfield, and looking to gash the defense. Taylor will occassionally take a shot, but for the most part just wants to play it safe. Mayfield goes for it. Taylor is more concerned with being mistake free..... 2. Accuracy. This one isn't even close. Mayfield is one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL already....Taylor simply does not have that in his repertoire. 3. Pocket awareness. I've been blown away by Mayfield so far. He has shown poise and awareness rarely seen in rookie QB's....Taylor is okay, but nothing special in this capacity...
I actually think this is one of the things he's done most poorly in the pre-season, relative to his game. Whether it's adjusting to NFL speed / windows, or just overcoming inconsistency, this is actually the aspect of his game that I think has been least impressive, compared to expectation.
OK Beach, I'll play your game. In what context was any of this information given from the League Office? From EVERYTHING/ANYTHING I can find, the only comments on Josh Gordon from the League came from questions from reporters...Then a subsequent Tweet and/or report that the league office needs to weigh in and/or has an announcement/comment forthcoming. You are grasping at straws here. Until something is actually reported, I don't see where you are jumping to the conclusion that there is anything coming. As for me being in position to explain something...I was specifically explaining that while on the NIL, he cannot practice, but can do the other things listed that he is participating in. That is fact and easily explained. It actually makes perfect sense, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.
I'm not arguing against Mayfield being a special talent, we actually agree 100% on this... However, to say Tyrod Taylor doesn't have accuracy as part of his repertoire in inaccurate in itself. That is one of the things that he DOES have. He's a 62.7% QB as a starter, and this is a guy that throws more balls away than anyone else because, as you already stated, he doesn't take risks. That is his biggest downfall in my eyes is that, I don't think he is willing to take as many risks as are needed to become a consistent QB that can carry a team. With Tyrod playing, the rest of the team must also be playing at a high level. He will not carry them when they are struggling...nor will he talk to the defense and get them in the games like I believe Baker will as the undisputed team leader in the future. As for pocket awareness, I don't see Tyrod being stuck in concrete in the pocket unaware of what is going on around him. I don't think Tyrod sees the field like Baker does, I agree with you there. It's one of the things that will eventually elevate Baker to one of the top QBs in the entire league, imho. But for now, he has a lot to digest in becoming that type of player. Can he be ready? I believe he could if he needed to be. I also think he could miss out on some valuable information by standing and watching for at least half the year. Here are my 4 scenarios: At the break we are 7-3, playoffs on the horizon, Tyrod remains the starter so Baker can see what it's like to lead a team into post season At the break we are 5-5, competing, but not looking like contenders....Baker takes over At the trade deadline, the Browns are playing well enough to have either a 3-5 or 4-4 record and the Browns trade Tyrod to a team with a need, Baker takes over Don't get to break, the Browns are 1-4, a dismal season looks upon us, Baker takes over Well, there is scenario #5...Tyrod Taylor leads the Browns to a 13-3 regular season and to the AFC Championship game, at which point they cannot avoid re-signing him to a new contract. It is so unbelievable that I really didn't even want to include it.
I disagree dline. The kid has been in a little over 4 quarters of play and he has shown that he can make throws that only about 10% of NFL QBs can make. When you say consistency, are you including the passes he is basically throwing away due to open options being limited? I haven't seen an open receiver yet that he has really made a terrible throw on. He has been behind a couple of throws, needs to clean that up, but again, we are talking about 4 quarters of play to this point. Someone already pointed this out, I apologize I can't remember who it was, @crextin possibly, but you could see a very specific intent on working on totally different game aspects in week one and week two. Week one was a much more wide open game plan, utilizing the entire field, while week two focused almost entirely on the short passing game. Both Taylor and Mayfield seemed as if they were given instructions to only look for short completions to work on specific plays. Regardless, I didn't see anything from Mayfield to think he has accuracy issues. I would need specifics to back up your stance on that one.
I'll link the videos later if I have a chance, so you can watch just the throws he's making in isolation. They're on the NFL's Youtube channel, if anyone wants to look them up real fast. I've seen balls thrown at WR's feet and behind them enough in those two games to say that he's having accuracy issues, aside from other inaccurate throws. He does make some phenomenal throws, and locate them well, but a franchise QB does it consistently, and when it's easy. Baker isn't, right now. To claim that "he's already one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL"... just not remotely correct.
JC "grasping at straws"? I'm just reading what is reported and then using my non-Browns slanted brain to come to a conclusion. In an email to the Associated Press Brian McCarthy said, "He cannot practice but may watch, No timetable on next steps." That's a quote, not a story, not an interpretation, a quote from the NFL. HE CANNOT PRACTICE, THERE IS NO TIMETABLE ON WHEN HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO Does that really sound like the Browns have control over this situation and can activate him off NFI after they've run him through the steps they deem necessary? That's honestly like saying a guy can't play because he's on Injured Reserve.
Well maybe i didn't word that properly. because he is not that accurate when he goes downfield more than 10 yards, which is likely the reason he hardly ever tries... Tyrod shows accuracy on the short stuff. That's his wheelhouse. Very safe conservative QB.
Wow, you are so astute. Why don't you tell us some more about how LaMarcus Joyner will never make it in the NFL... Watch any game that Deshone Kizer played in. That's what inaccuracy looks. Who the hell knows what you're watching???
it was this birthday boy...but who's keeping track? A lot of August birthdays in here. Im guessing Lime is twice my age, I just rolled into 36 last Monday.
I had Baker as my #2 behind Josh Allen so I think his future is very bright but like any other rookie QB he needs time. None of these guys should start Day 1. Dan Orlovsky was pretty popular in here during the lead up to the draft (mostly I think because he was critical of Josh Allen). He was on NFL radio this morning and he talked about how a lot of Baker's success was created for him by the Oklahoma coaches and scheme (and he's a big Baker fan so it's not jaded). Specifically he talked about the Week 1 4th and 2 play where he ran for a first down and he broke down what Baker doesn't do well yet. He tweeted it too: Then he talked about Allen and he highlighted a play where Allen understood the coverage and scheme he was working against and moved the defense with a small shoulder turn:
You said he's "one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL". I mean, I know you're a homer, but even you can't stand by that. Or maybe you can. I don't care. But if you watched his throws from the first two games honestly, you wouldn't say that. Deshone Kizer wasn't even accurate enough for Notre Dame. If you're using him as your benchmark, you're doing it wrong.
I'm 50 years old, and I've been an avid football fan all my life. I know what an accurate QB looks like....I'm sorry you love to take the counter-stance to everything I ever post, but that's on you. Your take that Baker Mayfield has accuracy issues is among the worst and most naive takes I ever read on these threads, and solidifies what I already knew, that D-line doesn't know what he's talking about. A few of the most accurate passers I've ever seen; 1. Troy Aikman 2. Drew Brees 3. Bernie Kosar (go ahead and call me a homer. And then watch the tape, and all the NFL QB challenges from that era. Bernie proved it every year. He was as accurate as they come, and with his limited athleticism, he HAD to be.) 4. Dan Marino - Some of the best footwork in the pocket that I've ever seen. Something Baker has in common with him. 5. Ken Anderson 6. Joe Montana Soon, Baker Mayfield will make that list...He has ELITE accuracy.
1. You said that Mayfield, in his second preseason game in the NFL, was already one of the most accurate QB's in the league. Anyone else wanna defend that? Are we gonna leave TopDawg on an island, here? Come on, now - surely someone else wants to double down on Mayfield already being one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL. 2. I said that Mayfield, relative to his other traits, is showing more struggle with accuracy than expected. Go back and read what I said. I didn't call him inaccurate - I said he's struggling with it right now. 3. Watch the tape. The most accurate QB's in the league don't throw behind their receivers on easy crossing routes over the middle, or at their feet on comebacks. I don't take the "counter-stance to everything (you) post". I don't know who you are. I don't know what you've said before, or what I have and haven't disagreed with. I just know that, from the moment you start talking, it's hard not to see how ridiculously raging of a homer you are. And, as such, we're probably going to disagree. Are you one of the guys that defended Urban Meyer and Ohio State just before it came out that he lied about knowing about spousal abuse? Again, I don't know who's who. But it would make sense, and it wouldn't be my judgment that's in question, here...
If you lined up all 32 NFL starting QB's, plus Baker Mayfield, and had them compete in accuracy drills, Baker would easily be in the top 10, and likely in the top 5......
Yes, I did...And I stand by it 100%... Accuracy isn't something you gain by experience. You either have it, or you don't.
You're telling me that Baker Mayfield is, currently, the most accurate QB in the NFL? ... I apologize to all other posters on the Browns board. I have, in the past, thought that there were a lot of homers on this board. I was wrong - there is only one. The rest of you pale in comparison. All hail king homer.
Well, then Mayfield's in trouble, because throwing behind a guy on a wide open crossing route in the middle of the field doesn't indicate accuracy, and if you can't get better at it by experience, then... Do you honestly think that accuracy can't improve? That you're born with it or not? Do you honestly believe you can spot a top-tier NFL QB in high school? You would've watched Baker Mayfield chucking a ball around in little league, and said, "He's going to be the most accurate passer in the NFL, when he gets there"? Do I sound ridiculous? Because you sounded ridiculous.
