It certainly showed his ability to compartmentalize personal and professional. It also showed his weakness imho towards veterans/"important" players and the propensity to "save" them for games. If they are not practicing, then you are diminishing their ability to succeed at the highest level possible. Planning for the unknown in hopes of avoiding something is a losing mentality imho. As I feel emotionally for Hue and his personal issues over the past month, professionally I lost respect learning of his "philosophy" on giving guys so many days off.
I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. Hard Knocks gives us, the fans insight into every day workings of the NFL and it is even more fun to watch those inner workings of our favorite team. However, it also gives Hue's boss a massive amount of information in which to evaluate his job performance. Things like Todd Haley voicing his opinion, an opinion that comes from coaching for 6 years with the Pittsburgh Steelers who won the division 3 out of those 6 years and led the division in offense the past 4 years in a row, and Hue Jackson stating quite frankly, I hear you, but hear me, this is my team and we will do things my way and nothing is changing on the front of giving players days off from practice. I simply don't understand why you would be giving 2nd year players who are 21-23 years old days off...He has also tried to get guys like Jarvis Landry to take days off and he refused...Might be why he was featured so much in the first episode, he was obviously the most talented player on that field and it is because of his work ethic. TEACHING guys to lower that work ethic is a recipe for disaster and may have played a larger role in 1-31 than I originally gave credit for. I apologize to @SAS for disagreeing with him in the past on this subject. Amazing what a television show can do for an outlook on a subject. Especially when it is raw and not scripted....
All that said... John Dorsey went out and did his job filling the empty cabinets. 6 wins should be the minimum for a professional team, especially after a 1-31 record in which your major complaint, as HC, was that you didn't have enough players to run your systems...when given enough players, not giving them as much time to learn those systems as other head coaches in the league do...well, that will be a factor imho.
Fucking amazing. After only one episode of Hard Knocks and before even the 1st pre-season game is played . . . the Hue bashing has started already. I think I'll wait just a bit before I draw any conclusions.
Could be...I'm in wait and see mode. Tyrod and Jarvis Landry might be enough to propel this team to 7 wins...if that is indeed true, then I agree with Lyman, Hue will be back. That is my new ceiling though for another year. Going from 0 wins to 7 wins would win him another year. Personally, anything less and I think they must move on.
I'm not "bashing" Hue, love the guy personally. I KNOW for fact practice is the way a team becomes, playoff then championship caliber. Giving guys so many days off...so many that others in the organization are questioning him on it, is detrimental to success. Yes, it's only one episode, but it gave us an invaluable nugget into the mindset of Hue Jackson.
Interestingly enough, I came away more encouraged about the season. Not necessarily moving up from #9-7, but I do feel even better about that prediction. We saw real leadership in that episode - maybe not from the head coach, but who here thinks he's worth anything? Jarvis Landry, Tyrod Taylor, Chris Kirksey - these guys and our coordinators, especially Haley, can make up for that head coaching deficiency. I'm glad they humanized Hue in the episode, but nothing about the way he conducted himself as a head coach - to his players, to his coaches, to John Dorsey... none of that made me think he's due back next season.
I also came away both impressed and worried about Baker Mayfield...does that help Lym... Extremely impressed by his physical and mental abilities for growth. Worried that he is not on the same level of Tyrod Taylor for dedication. Taylor is very impressive in his ability to lead by example, his physical limitations are what holds him back from greatness. I think Baker has those physical traits, regardless of his height deficiency, but if he isn't willing to get up at 5:00 am in his rookie season, then I am less enthused that his professionalism will grow once Tyrod is removed from the picture. It almost seems like he is complacent with being the best on the roster, which his abilities imho, will move him to the top sooner than later. I was hoping for a guy that wasn't satisfied until he was the best in the entire league.
Hue is a 1-31 coach who comes off awkward with players and authoritarian with his fellow coaches. What in the world has he done to make you think he's going to somehow "discover himself" in Season 3 and become the head coach this team needs? This team will win games in spite of Hue Jackson.
I shouldn't even have to repeat this, but . . . He was 1-31 because his roster was raped by Shashi Brown! You guys (every fucking one of you) pissed and moaned about Hue holding down both the HC job and the OC job. He agreed to bring in an OC and now you're pissing and moaning because he exercised his position as HC. Is it possible that Hue sees the talent on the roster and is determined not to allow his two coordinators to work that talent straight into the trainer's room before they even play the 1st pre-season game? A "day off" doesn't mean a player checks his brain at the door. At this part of the season, most of the team improvement is mental. You don't need full contact to grasp the concepts or schemes they're trying to install. A "day off" also doesn't mean they skip the walk throughs. I don't even know why I'm responding anymore. You guys have made up your minds and won't be happy until Haslam hits the reset button - AGAIN.
You're wrong Lym, I haven't made my mind up about anything. The ONLY thing I care about is success. Hitting a reset is the FARTHEST thing from my mind. I don't in any way, shape or form want it or look forward to it. I am hopeful that I am wrong and Hue is right, but in my experience as a player and coach (albeit only at the high school level), practice IS what propels success. Slacking even for a day over what the competition is throwing at you, almost always, results in a loss. I'll give you a what if scenario... What if this roster is a 10 win team...but due to the team not being as far ahead as other teams on the schedule due to more days off, they only win 8 games? What if 9 wins gets an AFC team a playoff spot. Did the coach, who adamantly disagrees with both coaches and players on the need for maximum practice time, do the team a disservice? Forget about firing, at 8 wins, he gets another year...but would he deserve it? Obviously this isn't a subjective question as we will never know one way or the other. But, I think others views on the subject in the organization shows it to be a real issue in some coaches and players minds.
Look, I'm not just writing to argue with you... Just as you believe we all want him canned...you seem closed minded to any type of criticism at all, no matter what it is. This is a legitimate discussion, not just something made up for the sake of leading a rebellion to fire Hue Jackson.
I think I've figured it out - it's not that some of the fans here are overoptimistic, it's just that some of you guys overreact to every little stimulus. Whether it's predicting playoffs, saying that the floor is a 7 win season, claiming one of if not the best WR group in the league... now to 3 wins, fired head coach, Mayfield isn't going to be professional enough to be the star envisioned... It could all go on. It was one hour-long episode of a TV show chronicling a few days in camp. The same way that a lot of you were told by people to not have such high expectations, it's also reasonable that you not let one episode of a TV show so massively impact your outlook. I do think the current outlook is a lot more realistic, but it shouldn't be an hour-long TV episode that gets you there. I didn't see much out of what I was expecting, to be honest with you. It was an hour of pretty predictable stuff. A fun look inside, but nothing unpredictable at all. Maybe let expectations rest somewhere... reasonable. And then enjoy the ride. Either way, having Hard Knocks around for the preseason will be fun for everyone.
Okay. I'll play . . . What if this roster is a 10 win team . . . But 10% of the roster is dinged up and can't go because they're in the tub (or worse)? Works both ways.
If 10% of the roster is dinged up, then that is an even trade off for getting every single 100% of the roster further along in the process by having them practice at maximum capacity. Trying to plan for the unknown degrades the process. Only being able to put in 95% of the playbook in any given week because everyday 2% of your players are working cohesively with the team as a whole is detrimental. It doesn't matter that it may only be 2-4 players per day. You need the complete unit working in order for it to work to maximum efficiency. Taking away any cog is detrimental, even from an injury, however holding that cog out due to injury avoidance is avoidable in and of itself.
