2018 Pre-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by Dogside18, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    I had HBO anyway, but I've already got 3 buddies, more to come, that are planning a weekly Hard Knocks party at my place...Well, it might just be another reason to get together to drink beer, but don't tell my wife.
     
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  2. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    That could be made into an argument at one point in your life, but you haven't won a Super Bowl in ten years. Despite someone somewhere declaring every single season that you guys are the favorite in the AFC, usually a Patriots hater, you have become more mediocre than dominant.

    As for Haslem, his timeline is a bit obscure:
    First 3 years, he did as the NFL asked him to do, hiring whom they recommended and doing what everyone else has always done, while spinning his wheels. To his credit, he changed course 2 1/2 years ago and hired Sashi Brown to do a specific job, Brown implemented said job to perfection and then moved on once it was finished. At that point, Haslem hired the right man for the job at hand of rebuilding the torn down roster and it looks like he might have hired the right man for that job as well. Time will tell if that is true, but honestly, I think Haslem did this community a favor in doing it the right way, as hard as the last two years have been.
     
  3. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers




    Tyrod Taylor is my starting quarterback, and I'm thankful for that. I think he can guide this roster to a 9-7 finish this season (and would have had last year's roster at least at 10 wins). But when the Mayfield Era finally starts in Cleveland, it's going to be something else.
     
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  4. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    I agree with you on being thankful for having Tyrod Taylor AND how bright the future will be when Baker takes over next year....

    However, how is it that you think Tyrod could have won 10 games last year, but will only win 9 this year? That confuses me quite a bit considering the changes made to the roster.
     
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  5. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    I was wondering about the same thing !
     
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  6. Dogside18 Franchise Player Browns

    Ive seen multiple reports saying Mayfield hasn't thrown a pick yet, but I think it was a USA Today write up gave credit for a diving INT by a rookie db not names Ward, for whatever that's worth.
     
  7. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Easier strength of schedule.
     
  8. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    <In the most crudely sarcastic Donald Trump Voice> That's false reporting


    No one knows 2018 strength of schedule until 2018 has been played....
     
  9. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Wait a minute . . .

    If the 2018 strength of schedule is based on 2017 results, then ???
     
  10. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I'm genuinely wondering if you guys are trolling.
     
  11. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    ^^^^^

    We got to play the 4-12 Colts (without Luck), the 7-9 Packers (without Rodgers), the 9-7 Titans (with a hobbled Mariota), the 5-11 Bears and 4-12 Texans (starting rookie quarterbacks), and the Jets. Those games should have been 5-1 at worst with a decent quarterback. I consider Taylor a significantly above-average quarterback.

    We have to replace those teams with the 11-5 New Orleans Saints, the 11-5 Carolina Panthers, the 10-6 Atlanta Falcons, and the 10-6 Kansas City Chiefs.

    We didn't play those teams in 2017 (that account for a much harder schedule). We played bums who gave the Browns the 21st toughest schedule (based on 2016 results) for the 2017 season. We play good teams in 2018 who, based on their 2017 performance, give the Browns the fifth toughest schedule.

    Why is this hard to understand?
     
  12. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    Who? Me?

    Nah.
     
  13. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    1. You replaced five teams with four.
    2. Of the five you listed, we play two of them again this year.
    While I can see your logic, the math doesn't add up.
     
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  14. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Well, there were 3 teams that got to play us twice, and 10 more that got a gimme in 2017... Are the SOS adjusted for those teams based on our current roster? Didn't think so...

    There are 32 teams and 32 teams rosters have changed, some for the better, some for the worse. The NFL is such a fickle league that you personally have a team that has won 1 game in two seasons, with 9 wins on this season. SOS, I'm guessing, would then change pretty drastically based on similar changes to teams win totals...wouldn't you agree?

    So, basing the current schedule (with results) on last years rosters is a fairly baseless way of doing things..imho
     
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  15. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I'm not trying to add anything up.

    Colts, Packers, Titans, Bears, Texans, and Jets (given the state of those teams when we played them in 2017) would have been 5-1 with Tyrod Taylor under center.

    Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Chiefs, even with Tyrod under center and an improved roster, I have a hard time seeing a wins for the Browns in 2018, knowing what we know today about the state of their teams.

    I'm not basing anything on a strength of schedule number. I'm basing it on the fact that the Panthers are a better team than the Colts, the Saints are a better team than the Bears, the Falcons are a better team than the Titans, and the Chiefs are a better team than the Texans (who we have to play again anyway).

    The argument isn't "we had a .426 in 2017 and a .521 this year". It's very simply: "we had a human garbage fire at quarterback in 2017 that, had it been replaced with Tyrod, we would have won more games".

    I'll ask this again... are you two genuinely trolling now? Is this because we haven't seen @showstopper since @davidhalton buried him a while back?
     
  16. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    Showstopper has been on the Steelers and Ravens boards recently. WTF, we don’t want him.
     
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  17. Lyman "Franchise Asshole" Browns Buckeyes

    We can loan you @davidhalton !!!
     
  18. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Why because we can't understand your logic on this one, we are trolling?

    You state quite frankly that the 2017 roster with Tyrod Taylor wins 10 games...

    BUT, the 2018 team can only muster 9 with:
    Tyrod Taylor
    Carlos Hyde/Nick Chubb replacing Isaiah Crowell
    Jarvis Landry
    Josh Gordon (Maybe)
    A full season of David Njoku starting
    A full season of Myles Garrett
    A full season of Emmanuel Ogbah
    A full season of Jamie Collins
    Mychal Kendricks
    T.J. Carrie
    Damarius Randall
    E.J. Gaines
    Jabrill Peppers in the proper position
    and many other backups, along with a year of experience under many other players belt.


    Despite the team names you list...If ONE MAN can change a teams number of wins by 10...and that same man is currently on the roster, then the other players that will be available to also help in 2018 SHOULD be able to get them at least the same number of wins you say he could have gotten last year's team....

    Are you trolling by throwing those numbers out there?
     
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  19. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    David: Troll Slayer. Sounds like someone needs to update their signature line.
     
  20. BearsWillWin Drunk (Probably) Patreon Champion Manager Bears Blackhawks Cubs

    So Tyrod Taylor is the difference between a 10 win team and a 0 win team?

    And you wonder why you get trolled....
     
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