Coming from a guy who loved (loves?) Jimbo "I-Will-Aggressively-Cover-Up-and-Defend-Multiple-Rape-Allegations-Against-My-Star-Quarterback" Fisher. Isn't there a saying about people who live in garnet and gold houses and defend rape, animal abuse, and domestic battery by student athletes?
How does that make it okay?! You're thinking of Caleb Brantley. He was actually Davlin Cook and he was cited for animal endangerment/abuse. You continue to fan-girl over him.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...facility-to-help-victims-of-human-trafficking I've given Hue a lot of heat the last couple seasons, but I very much respect this^^^.
Dude do you have a clue....you mentioned domestic battery and I give you the kids name and you ignore it and mention Cook lol
He was still a consensus 6th round pick. Just as Walker was a consensus 2nd round pick which you elevated to the #1 pick in the draft because you are biased towards FSU players. Cmon man, I'm not accusing you of having herpes. You don't have to defend something that is so blatantly obvious.
Never once did I consider him the #1 pick in the draft...the Browns took Mayfield at #! when he wasnt considered the #1 player in the draft...he was the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft....sh#t happens
^^^THAT'S where you just don't get it stopper. Because he WAS considered the #1 guy..Only one team had the rights to that pick, and they DID see him as the #1 player on the board. Your opinion doesn't matter. Nor does mine.
Wrong again...According to multiple sources, including ESPN's Adam Sheftler, there were at least 4 other GM's that had Mayfield #1 amongst the QB's....
Alright, I'm obviously not writing this for SAS, because he's not interested in critical, constructive discussion. But, for everyone else: Here's a really key part of SAS's above post - "that is right more often than not" Now, statistics are factual - they're never wrong. You know the guy had 100 catches, that's not in dispute. However, the numbers PFF provides are entirely subjective, being based on the observations of imperfect individuals. Was that ball catchable? Well, someone on the couch is going to determine that, and the number presented as an analytical evaluation of their performance is going to be a result of something that you, I, or they may disagree on. It's one thing to use these numbers to try and quantify something, and understand that they may or may not hold any validity at all, nevermind the degree to which they are valid. But it's an entirely different thing when these numbers are used as the sole or overriding basis of a position / argument, which is often how some individuals use them - as definitive and final. Unfortunately, this service often gets their evaluations wrong. I remember abandoning them when they told me that, over the course of several games (the whole season? I don't remember), Shea McClellin was outperforming Matt Forte. It said that J'Marcus Webb was an acceptable LT. There were numerous examples. At the end of the day, if you want to consider these evaluations as a way of evaluating your own opinions, that's fine. Thought this WR was really shitty, but PFF tells you otherwise? Maybe you should go back and take another look at the tape, and reconsider. Maybe you're right; maybe they've got a point. And PFF does provide some statistics that are, indeed, hard facts - often about distance someone traveled before the ball was out, or that kind of thing. But, drawing conclusions from those should also be done with a grain of caution, as is done with any other statistic whatsoever. To the question earlier, of "What should we use instead?": I don't think there's a subjective source like this that should be relied on objectively. It's what makes sports analysis fun and perpetual - that there isn't a definitive, objective answer. Unfortunately, it's easy to want one, and to try and force things like PFF evaluations down throats in order to end up there.
Here is also why those stats blow...lets take the Browns final play of the season.....Coleman can be 8 rec on 8 targets but drop that final pass on 4th down to end the game....now hes 8 rec on 9 targets....who wouldnt rather have that drop happen in the 1Q instead of the final play of the game...his score will probably turn out great but anybody watching the game will say that may have cost us the game
In evaluating players, you have now gone from looking at an entire season to looking at a single game. Then you went to looking at a single quarter from a single game. Now you're going from a single quarter to a single play? Guess what, asswipe . . . A single play in a single quarter in a single game isn't a statistic. Its a data point.
We don't disagree in that college football is a business. I think it's tragic, but it's true, and you're right about that. Nonetheless, these kids' lives are 24/7, for several years, in this system. It molds who they are. For many, it's the single most defining time in their lives, and this collegiate structure and atmosphere is more than they've ever had or been around before. As such, it is a great responsibility that these programs assume, and one that many coaches decide is wholly unimportant - Urban Meyer arguably more than any other. If you want your kid to become a pro, you make sure they go a top program, sure. But, you have your choice of top programs. Let's not pretend that Malik Hooker, or Denzel Ward, etc., aren't going on to be pros regardless of which school they attend. It's not like these are guys who are marginally athletically talented, but are going to a school where they're properly coached and learn so much that they get drafted when they might not otherwise. Urban Meyer fails at providing players a substantial, nurturing environment. It's been proven time and time again. I get that college football is a business, but you also have a responsibility to the kids and families, and he fails at that routinely. If you're a fan of Ohio State, I won't begrudge you continuing to do that. If you're a fan of Urban Meyer, you're purposely overlooking how awful an influence on these kids lives he is. Note: he is not the only one. But we shouldn't be allowing for any of them. A human being? Jeezus. Look, if you (collective) haven't stopped to fully consider how awful guys like Urban Meyer are, that's fine - I hope you do so. But, if you're fully aware of how terrible they are, but don't care because he coaches a winning football team full of college students... well, then you suck. And there are plenty of people like you. But, you're all wrong. I hope there are a lot of people who are fine with Meyer and his like because they haven't stopped to think about it, not because they don't care.
So, according to YOUR standards, you're a better human being than us? Urban Meyer is the Head Football Coach at a major university. He's just like any other Head Coach at any other major university. He, like every other Head Coach, is paid to be successfull. If he were a Plant Manager in a factory, that success would be measured in profit/loss. But he's a football coach whose success is measured in wins/losses. Period. He, like every other head football coach, isn't paid to nuture kids, be a surogate father or anything else. He's paid to win football games. He's paid to seek out and procure other coaches and players for the roster that will enhance the ability of the Ohio State University to win football games. Just because YOU believe he needs to be a surogate father or social worker and I don't doesn't mean I suck.
