Only one rookie QB has ever taken his team to a SB & he had a great defense, good running game and a really good oline. Vince Ferragomo, did good the first half but the Steelers tightened the thumb screws in the second half.
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...gn-Greg-Robinson-waive-Rod-Johnson-119166452/ ^^^Get rid of that FSU bum...
We signed former #2 overall pick OT Greg Robinson, and we waived Roderick Johnson...I was just giving stopper a jab.
After looking over the Browns schedule, there really isn't a great time to make a change at quarterback this year if things are not going well for Tyrod. Spoiler: 2018 Browns Schedule Week/Date Opponent Time/Network Wk 1 - Sept. 9 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 2 - Sept. 16 at New Orleans Saints 1 p.m. (FOX) Wk 3 - Sept. 20 vs. New York Jets 8:20 p.m. (NFL Network) Wk 4 - Sept. 30 at Oakland Raiders 4:05 p.m. (FOX) Wk 5 - Oct. 7 vs. Baltimore Ravens 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 6 - Oct. 14 vs. Los Angeles Chargers 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 7 - Oct. 21 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 p.m. (FOX) Wk 8 - Oct. 28 at Pittsburgh Steelers 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 9 - Nov. 4 vs. Kansas City Chiefs 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 10 - Nov. 11 vs. Atlanta Falcons 1 p.m. (FOX) Wk 11 - Nov. 18 BYE Wk 12 - Nov. 25 at Cincinnati Bengals 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 13 - Dec. 2 at Houston Texans 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 14 - Dec. 9 vs. Carolina Panthers 1 p.m. (FOX) Wk 15 - Dec. 15 at Denver Broncos TBD (NFL Network) Wk 16 - Dec. 23 vs. Cincinnati Bengals 1 p.m. (CBS) Wk 17 - Dec. 30 at Baltimore Ravens 1 p.m. (CBS) It would be tough to pull the plug after the first two games, but the Jets at home would make sense. Maybe week 6 with LAC at home? But again, that seems early to me. The schedule just doesn't do Cleveland any favors this year.
Derwin's a talented athlete, but he's not going to change the game year one. I know you like your Seminoles stopper but objectivity is your friend.
I take your point, and there isn't an ideal spot in there, pre-season (the dynamics may chance if a team falls off once the year starts). But if Tyrod isn't cutting it, do you just throw the rookie in the deep end and consider him swimming immediately a bonus? IE. if the year doesn't start off well with Tyrod, do you put in the newbie and consider it a development / write-off season if things continue much the same? Best case scenario for Cleveland, either Tyrod keeps Mayfield on the bench all year, or Mayfield comes in and excels. I think the reality is probably in the middle, there, and you're right that there's not an easy landing spot for him to come in.
Yes, the 3rd day draft pick that was a "winner" in college that couldn't beat out anyone on this team that you don't like that you spend so much time on their message board bashing. Such a great player though. That winning culture really means a lot. You might have heard, that the Browns DID take a QB pretty high, that also came from a winning culture, whos players tend to have a smaller amount of character concerns, and all he did was walk on at 2 D1 college programs, have one of the best seasons EVER and follow it up by improving across the board in consecutive seasons. lets talk about the crappy OL though. He was a semenole and the Browns made a bad choice.
The opinions of Mayfield on this forum vary greatly, so your question should get a lot of different takes. I personally think the kid can be a solid NFL quarterback, but the types of hiccups he has in his game make me lean to the idea that he should get a red shirt year to learn behind Tyrod. It's not going to hurt the growth of the offense at all, as Taylor and Mayfield have a lot of similarities in their game. My concern is with Hue getting a chance to really mess him up in his first season and set both Baker and the offense back a year if Jackson is canned and another coach is brought in. I would prefer to see Baker quietly go through the process of learning the position as a pro and developing the little things that will help him succeed (exploding backwards in his drop to get better distance, scanning the field quicker and learning how to develop quicker, smaller passing lanes). This is how I would approach it after 2018 - If Cleveland wins 5 or 6 games with Tyrod then make it an open competition next season for the starter. If they win 4 or less, then push for Baker to start year 2. If they win 7 or more than go into next season with Taylor named the returning starter and force Baker to take it from him. I would try not to use passing stats to justify making the change. Just stick to the wins and losses and operate from there.
I think I'd approach it much the same way, and without more time to type in the office, can pretty much say I agree with all of the above. The note on Jackson: do you look at him as a lame-duck coach, unless he puts up an unexpectedly high win total? I don't think he gets another season without 7 or more wins, personally. Maybe 6. But I see the team with a new HC next year...
I tend to agree with this, but I also understand the point of view from the other side of the coin. Having some consistency may help in the long run.
I think Hue survives with a mere 4 wins this season. Anything less than that should get him the axe, but I was wrong last year and he somehow survived so I'm not putting any money on it, lol.
You've got a point. I look at the history of new GM's bringing in their own HC's, especially recently. It's not a good sign for Jackson. Unless Dorsey really believes he's the dude, I think it takes more to get it done. New QB, then new HC... not at all an uncommon occurrence...
I think the problem there is that Dorsey may not have the control that most GMs do when it comes to hiring or firing the head coach. The dynamic between the ownership and Hue is one that could very well make a shit ton of headaches for Cleveland by the end of this season if John tries to force his hand, only to get told he can't make that decision. It's one of the reasons why I have a lot of questions around the actual hiring process from Dorsey, what he was told before getting the job and what his actual market/hiring landscape was before Cleveland brought him in.
Yeah, I forgot how involved the owner was on this one. That's my fault. I've been doing a lot of typing and reading in haste during work, lately. This is definitely a potentially tenuous situation. Best case scenario - they win games, it's not a worry. Maybe second best case scenario, they lose them all again, and no one has any problems with Jackson being shown the door. Yikes. Again, chances are it'll fall in the murky middle. Gonna just stick to reading at the office - makes everyone's life easier
Pending on how far along he is you may not think about sending him out there until after the Bye week. I know some fans would say that means they didnt draft the right guy but there are plenty of successful QBs who did not start the first season they were in the league. Yeah trial by fire is one way to learn but if you send a guy out who isnt ready all that ends up happening is you get his confidence crushed. If that happens he may never be the guy. As for Jackson maybe he is overwhelmed as the HC but maybe this season with an actual OC Hue doesnt look as overwhelmed.
