Not hard at all. He ran behind one of the best lines of all time, also had guys in consideration got GOAT at WR, TE, FB and a very good QB with him. I thought it was a disgrace how he limped past Sweetness into the record book. If you would have put Barry Sanders on that team, behind that line, with those other weapons, he would have put up 2k every damn year. Barry never had a QB, he did have Touchdown Tommy Vardell for a couple years at FB, he had Herman Moor, but the game plan was always "stop Barry at all costs" and nobody could. With the cocaine Cowboys it was either "let's chose how we're going to lose" or get blown out anyway and let Smith (who is still good, don't get me wrong, he's just overrated) kill us afterward.
I just tell it like I see it...Browns fans contradict themselves like no other...it’s all good though cause Chubb and Cook were both 2nd round picks...let’s see who has the better career, Derwin and Ward were 1st round picks..let’s see what happens, Mayfield and Winston were #1..time will tell
See, in the same post you were both entirely right (contradictions abound) and likely lent further credibility to why you're not really a Browns fan (speculation, but with plenty of support). We all get it - you're a huge FSU fan, but why wouldn't you want these guys to succeed, anyway? Wouldn't it be great if both Mayfield and Winston succeeded? Right?
Moss may have had more talent but he didnt have the drive Owens had talent and drive but no just no Tim Brown? Come on son not even close Mayeb you need to take a look at what Rice did in the strike shortened season of 87 when in 12 games on only 65 catches he put up 22 touchdowns (the next closest guy had 11) 1078 yards Rice is the GOAT and that is not overrated.
B. Mayfield 'not ready to compete' with Tyrod According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield "did not look ready to compete" with Tyrod Taylor for the Browns' starting quarterback job at OTAs and minicamp. The Boston Globe had a similar report on Sunday. The Plain Dealer doesn't detail where exactly Mayfield is so far behind, but Taylor is a three-year starter with a 22-20 record the past three seasons on poorly-assembled Bills teams. He should open training camp as the heavy favorite to start Week 1. Still, Taylor would be beating the odds to keep the job beyond Cleveland's Week 11 bye.
Actuallynthe fact they realize he isnt ready and they have another option is a good thing. Means he will not be thrown to the wolves.
EVERYTHING coming out of camp is how well Tyrod is doing. These negative bullshit takes are what gets the national headlines. "Not ready" is different than "not ready to compete with Tyrod". If it were DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan in camp...He would have been named the starter and everything would be focused on how great he's doing because he has already risen to the top of the pecking order. Either way, they are bullshit headlines. No rookie is ready to start in the NFL in June of their rookie season. Never has it happened. Now, have there been times when there are Super Bowl caliber rosters that a rookie QB fell onto and had early success? If by success you mean, not screwing up enough to show up on the radar...then yes. But not a guy ready to take over a team that is being built, not ready for overall success. A team NEEDING a great QB performance to win a game. We won't know legitimately where Baker is until he is asked to QB this team in a real game, not pre-season. Hopefully Tyrod does well enough that it doesn't happen until 2019.
So the Boston Globe, who is in the backyard of a perennial Super Bowl team, with a murky-at-best QB situation for the future, is reporting on a 1-31 teams QB situation which actually looks bright for the future. Got it. Did it happen to throw out superlatives like "mistake on the lake", or "same old Browns" or "Cleveland being Cleveland"? That's some mighty fine journalism. #fakenews
Alternate headline: Rookie quarterback taking second team reps behind eight-year veteran, two-time Pro Bowl, $16 million a year quarterback, Tyrod Taylor.
Ya keep pumping up Taylor like he’s so good...he’s so good that he was benched for Peterman lol...if that’s the case what a waste of a draft pick..Taylor should be the franchise QB for the next 5 yrs..sign him long term and be done w it....he’s earned it being a 2 time Pro Bowler and led his team to the playoffs
Only problem is fans on here have stated if he can’t beat out Taylor that drafting Mayfield may have been a mistake...not my words
Finding the Fits: Browns love OL Corbett's versatility Austin Corbett can at least back up multiple positions as a rookie.Photo Credit: Ken Blaze-USA TODAY Sports By Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com This is part of a series -- Finding the Fits -- in which NFLDraftScout.com will review the more intriguing picks made during the 2018 NFL Draft. The goal is to identify one relatively unheralded player per team who appears to be a good schematic fit and, therefore, more likely to be a surprise contributor early in his pro career. Cleveland Browns' best fit: Austin Corbett, OL, Nevada, selected No. 33 overall (second round) In Cleveland, all eyes are on No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield. But the rookie who appears to be in the best position to start the regular-season opener against Pittsburgh is Austin Corbett, selected with the top pick of the second round, not the first. When the Browns kicked off Day Two of the 2018 NFL Draft with Corbett -- a four-year starting left tackle at Nevada -- there was immediate speculation that the Browns envisioned him taking over for recently retired, 10-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas. Corbett has indeed practiced at left tackle over the course of OTAs and minicamps, but he also has seen work at left guard and right tackle. The toughness and smarts that it takes to play multiple positions in your first weeks in the NFL is precisely what the Browns love about Corbett and why he is a terrific fit for a young club still sorting out its best five blockers. "I see him as a good football player," vice president of player personnel Alonzo Highsmith said after the Browns drafted Corbett. "He is very multifaceted. He can do a lot of things. There is no doubt that he could probably play center for you. I think one of the best things that you want to do is add good football players to your team. It is a great problem to have -- a guy who can play a bunch of different positions." Assistant general manager Eliot Wolf added: "He played left tackle at his school, but he went down to the Senior Bowl and played right tackle, center and both guards. We just see him as a really tough guy. Corbett came in as a 230-pound walk-on and ended up starting for four years in Nevada." Because Corbett is "only" 6-foot-4, 306 pounds and possesses below-average arm length (33 1/8 inches), NFLDraftScout.com and many others projected Corbett to slide inside, although he does have the initial quickness and balance required to remain outside in the NFL. As Wolf alluded, Corbett's stock took off at the Senior Bowl, where his competitive, almost brawling style of play eased any doubts that he could handle a position switch, if required. In terms of a specific position, perhaps not even new Browns' offensive line coach Bob Wylie knows for sure where Corbett will line up for the majority of his rookie season. It is possible he begins the season on the bench, offering "swingman" duties as the primary backup to several veterans. This might be the ideal scenario for Cleveland, which already has invested big dollars to boost its offensive line. The Browns boast two of the league's best guards in Joel Bitonio (who preceded Corbett at Nevada) and Kevin Zeitler on the right side. They also feature a quality starting center in J.C. Tretter, whom Highsmith and Wolf know well after helping draft him in Green Bay. The club also has some intriguing options on the perimeter in two other free agent additions, Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson, as well as homegrown products like Shon Coleman (last year's starting right tackle) and toolsy undrafted free agent Desmond Harrison. What Corbett lacks in terms of height and reach among Cleveland's other tackles, he makes up for with quickness and consistency -- two traits absolutely required given the pass rushers in the AFC North and the Browns' mobile (and undersized) quarterbacks. Other thoughts on the Browns' 2018 draft class: While Mayfield was drafted to be the savior, offensive coordinator Todd Haley pumped the brakes a bit last week when explaining that the reigning Heisman Trophy winner "has a long way to go" before challenging veteran Tyrod Taylor as the Browns starter. Browns fans are right to be impatient given that the club has won just once since Hue Jackson took over head coaching duties two years ago, but the club is confident Mayfield will live up to his draft position and prove to be the long-term answer. While I personally have reservations about any undersized quarterback consistently excelling in the AFC North -- the only division in the NFL where every divisional game is played outside -- Mayfield is a gamer whose moxie and accuracy have mitigated average size and velocity to this point. Like Corbett, Mayfield turned a lot of critics into believers at the Senior Bowl and his unique traits -- a quick release, instincts and ball placement chief among them -- make him a clean schematic fit in Haley's scheme. For whatever it is worth, Mayfield's game appears less conducive to the more traditional deep-drop, vertical attack Jackson has preached throughout much of his career, signaling perhaps which direction general manager John Dorsey might be leaning should there be a change in head coach. Any doubt as to who holds the most power in Cleveland was answered with the No. 4 pick, as the decision to draft former Ohio State cornerback Denzel Ward over North Carolina State edge rusher Bradley Chubb was Dorsey's call and caught some in the organization (and throughout the league) by surprise. While pairing Chubb with Myles Garrett was certainly appealing, it is not difficult to understand Dorsey's choice given the presence of superstar wideouts Antonio Brown (Pittsburgh) and A.J. Green (Cincinnati) in the division. Like his former Ohio State teammate, Marshon Lattimore, Ward is a legitimate shutdown corner, blanketing opponents due to his elite feet and loose hips. One could make the case that cornerback -- not quarterback -- was the Browns biggest weakness entering the draft. With quality veterans ahead of them on the depth chart, it may take a while for former SEC stars Nick Chubb (Georgia) and Antonio Callaway (Florida) to make waves in Cleveland, but I love the selections of both. From his powerful frame and bullish running style, Chubb is a virtual duplicate of free agent addition Carlos Hyde, providing the Browns with an intimidating 1-2 punch of downhill runners that should help the team build and maintain leads. Callaway's tape is more impressive than any other receiver in this class. The 5-foot-11, 200-pounder's elusiveness and breakaway speed (and unfortunately, checkered past) remind me a lot of Tyreek Hill, whom Dorsey selected and watched become of the NFL's most feared big-play specialists in Kansas City. Cleveland's 2018 draft class: 1st Round, No. 1 overall: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 1st Round, No. 4 overall: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State 2nd Round, No. 33 overall: Austin Corbett, OL, Nevada 2nd Round, No. 35 overall: Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia 3rd Round, No. 67 overall: Chad Thomas, DE, Miami 4th Round, No. 105 overall: Antonio Callaway, WR/RS, Florida 5th Round, No. 150 overall: Genard Avery, ILB, Memphis 6th Round, No. 175 overall: Damion Ratley, WR, Texas A&M 6th Round, No. 188 overall: Simeon Thomas, DB, Louisiana-Lafayette Key Undrafted Free Agents Signed: Desmond Harrison, OT, West Texas A&M Marcell Frazier, DE, Missouri Trenton Thompson, DT, Georgia
I'm not pumping up Taylor,but the fact is, he was benched for Nathan Peterman. And after watching Peterman play for about 10 minutes, the Bills conceded that they made a stupid mistake and put Taylor back in for the rest of that game, and the remainder of the season... All I want is for the Browns to start the QB that truly gives us the best opportunity to win. Clearly the Browns are committed to slow-playing things with the rookie. Given the complete train wreck this team has been at QB for the last 20 years, that's understandable... I did say that if Mayfield can't take the starting job from Taylor, that it was a mistake to draft him, and I stand by that...Tyrod Taylor is a solid but unspectacular QB, and he was brought in to hold it down until the kid is ready to roll. What don't you understand? Mayfield was the #1 pick of the draft. I'm expecting an NFL superstar, same as I am with #1 overall Myles Garrett...Why wouldn't I? I can't speak for everyone, but I expect Mayfield to surpass Tyrod at some point in the first half of this season...I still think week one is possible, but it's certainly not a knock on the kid if it doesn't happen that soon, especially with the organization seemingly committed to making him watch for at least a few games... I've said it a hundred times, and I'll say it again. The ONLY way Taylor remains starting QB in Cleveland is if he's winning consistantly...There's just no way he's holding off Mayfield if he's losing football games...
Here's the question SAS... If Cleveland makes the playoffs this year, I'm assuming it will be with Taylor at QB. Will the Browns fans accept a change at QB the next year? With the real possibility of taking a step back bringing in Mayfield to make his first starts in the NFL. I expect Mayfield to be better than Taylor at some point, but in his first season starting? I would like to know how Browns fans see this working out.
