Where Do We Go From Here?

Discussion in 'Cleveland Browns' started by TopDawg, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Nah just easy to see talent...you better watch out come week 3 on Monday night...he usually shines in the biggest moments....Im thinking 345 yds and 2-3 TDs...could be a shootout
     
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  3. Dogside18 Franchise Player Browns

    I was catching up, but saw Winston's 4,000 yds thrown out there.

    2010's 4,000 yds < 2000's 4,000 yds

    The game has evolved pretty damn quickly. Hitting 4k in the yds category is no longer the litmus test for a good QB.

    2017 saw 8 finish with that number with Russ Wilson being 17 yds off.

    2016 had 13 with Superstar Blake Bortles missing by less than 100 yds.

    2015 had 12 with 3 missing by less than 100 (Mr Bortles eclipses 4400).

    2014 had 11 with 1 w/in 100.

    2002 had 4, with 0 inside 100 yds. Gannon, Bledsoe, Manning, Collins

    2003 had 2! Again, 0 within 100 yds.

    2004 had 5. Marc Bulger was the lone wolf who was close.

    2005 is a mirror of 2003, 2 cleared it, 0 just missed.


    Drew Brees' 5k season seems to be the turning point in all this. Before that it was a hand full of guys a year, to 1/3 the league.



    For fun, I've chosen 2 QB stat lines from their best PRO season. Without looking up stats, who would anyone rather have?

    QB A

    345/567, 60.8%, 4,090 yds, 28 TD, 18 INT, 6 fum, 165 rush yds, 1 TD, 4 fum (not sure if it is double dipping on the fumbles count, so I will list it both as a passing and rushing stat)

    QB B

    355/606, 58.6%, 4,428 yds, 35 TD, 18 INT, 8 fum, 310 rush yds, 2 TD, 5 fum
     
  4. gidion72 Legend Steelers

    The completion % tells me these are not top tier QBs.
     
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  5. greatwazoo Home Town Favorite Steelers

    You know TD, after reading this it made me think of who Mayfield reminds me of.

    he reminds me of... Jim McMahon
     
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  6. Lol!!
     
  7. TopDawg Legend

    I can see a little of that. I'd give Baker a significant edge on overall talent, but he definitely has some of that same McMahon moxie or swag or whatever you wanna call it. It's tough to put into words, but it's a leadership quality. Guys will jump in front of a bus for a QB like that. He exudes confidence, and just his presence in the huddle elevates the play of others. It changes the mindset of the football team when there is true belief in the QB throughout the lockerroom that winning isn't just possible, but it's probable...Problem with Jimmy Mac was that he got banged up a lot. The Bears were still really good when they had to turn to Tomczak, usually because they were carried by a tenacious defense, but it wasn't the same at all as when McMahon was in there...I think Mayfield is more gifted physically, and more accurate, but I don't have any doubt that he will command the huddle in similar fashion.

    I've heard the Flutie comparison. The Manziel comparison The Tarkenton comparison. The Russell Wilson comparison. The Drew Bees, and on and on....Baker just needs to be Baker Mayfield. The same guy that walked on at Texas Tech and Oklahoma and took over. He has rare qualities and skillset. The sky is the limit for Baker Mayfield...
     
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  8. TopDawg Legend

    The REALLY exciting thing is thinking about what Baker Mayfield can do with receivers like he'll have at his disposal in Cleveland. Especially if that O-line gels, and Hyde and Chubb are gashing defenses like I believe they will, and setting us up nicely in the down and distance situations....Gordon has the size and skills that few possess. He's a match-up problem for any defense, as is David Njoku. Then throw in Landry, Coleman and Calloway, and I think the argument can be made that as a group, the Browns have as much talent as any in the NFL, when it comes to the receivers...Don't know how much credit we wanna give them, but since they were both NFL WR's, they get some; Nate Burleson and James Jones were both on NFL Channel the other morning claiming that as an overall group of pass catchers, the Cleveland Browns have the NFL's most talented unit...If nothing else, it was great to hear.
     
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  9. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    showstopper: *TRIGGERED*
     
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  10. Nope
     
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  11. Campbell Administrator Manager Commissioner

    I'm just here for the :PC:
     
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  12. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

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  13. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Tried to look it up and hit this strange anomaly...

    QB A-a

    354/606 (58.44%), 4,434 yards, 28 TD, 23 INT, 20 rush yards, 0 TD, 10 FUM

    QB A-b

    336/567 (59.3%), 4,137 yards, 30 TD, 21 INT, -24 rush yards, 0 TD, 9 FUM

    Those are the same QB in different years - eerily similar numbers, including exact same number of attempts. That was HOF'er Dan Marino. That was 1985 and 1988 - he was 30 years ahead of his time.
     
  14. Dogside18 Franchise Player Browns


    Apparently Super Dan was no better than Famis Jaemis (QBA) and Blake Bortles (QBB).
     
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  15. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    I'm sure @showstopper would put Winston and Marino in the same QB-tier.
     
  16. Eventually he will get there...he still needs players like Duper and Clayton instead of brick hands Evans
     
  17. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    I don't even know what to say, you mentioned offering your services of advice on candidates, then state something like this..are you harpooning your own career as a advice counselor?
     
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  18. Plz explain further?
     
  19. SAS M.V.P. Rams Chargers

    Mike Evans was credited with two (2) drops in the 2017 season.

    Imagine what his already great numbers would look like with a semi-decent quarterback throwing him the football...
     
  20. IrishDawg42 Legend Manager Browns Buckeyes Fighting Irish

    Mike Evans has had 4 seasons in the league and amassed 4 1,000 yard seasons, despite mediocre QB play...That wasn't a good example of your scouting prowess, if you are going to illicit future clients to administer advice to. You are making yourself look silly.
     

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