Not define his career...vs the best team he faced in a playoff game...when stars are suppose to shine
You are defining his career and ability to play the position based on 2 1/2 quarters of play and you have continually stuck to that premise from the beginning of QB dabates for this team. You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Go ahead, admit it...
I never thought you were arguing with me....Lets just say I have a way of throwing my opinion out there that invokes discussion. See, we don't really say much different...Yeah, I mentioned it would be "ideal" if Tyrod could elevate his game and win for us, forcing a sit and learn year for Baker. I just didn't go into the details of how that could benefit Mayfield, but there's not much here that I don't agree with....IMO it won't play out that way, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to... As long as Tyrod wins....If you think Tyrod will remain starter even though he is losing more than winning, that's where we differ....There won't be much patience for the guy with #1 overall on his heels. There just won't. First round draft picks get on the field in today's NFL, nevermind #1 overall...Mark my words. If and when Tyrod loses two straight, it'll be Mayfield time...
I think that is essentially where we differ, I guess. Hue is playing for his Head Coaching career right now. If he doesn't succeed here, he isn't getting another chance. He will be going back to coordinating, which I'm not totally convinced he belongs either. So, I agree he will be making the tough decisions on who starts and when...but.. I think a 1-31 two year span team is looking for 7 wins as the barometer for a successful year after all the moves that were made. This team still isn't all the way there yet. We need a couple more upgrades and really need to continue to improve the backup roles. Only so much you can do in a single off season. If they are 3-4 after 7 games, Tyrod isn't getting benched, if they are 4-6 at the bye week, Tyrod isn't getting benched because that is major progress vs the unknown that is a rookie QB. Honestly, I think they have their best shot after the bye week, they could sneak in 4 out of 6 wins there..so if they have 4 wins going into the bye, they have a good shot at .500 ball for the first time in a long time. Rookies have growing pains that you simply don't need to worry about with Tyrod, that's why I believe that will be the path in 2018. A lot of those growing pains can be answered through questioning in the QB room watching films rather than experiencing mistakes. It will help cut down those rookie mistakes when he does hit the field in 2019. Now, a lot of this depends on injuries...we are not equipped yet to deal with many injuries. Stay healthy, I think they have a shot at 8-9 wins, if they have multiple guys lost to the majority of games in their season, well then the wins will depend on how many games they can keep it together. If Tyrod miraculously gets them to the playoffs then he is their starter in the playoffs, they won't hand the reigns over at that point. So, I guess we agree that if Tyrod is winning games he doesn't get benched, where we disagree is that Baker has a chance to get the start before Tyrod is given the opportunity to win games. I just think they have a plan to have a veteran start at QB in 2018. I don't think Hue will deviate from that plan, knowing his coaching career hangs in the balance.
One caveat to the wins/losses barometer you guys are talking about: Is it Tyrod that isn't performing well enough to get the wins or is it on the defense? Heck, Tyrod could be doing all things right and the O-line, WR's/TE or RB's aren't doing their part.
No I just don’t care when he played against Kansas and other bum schools....I sure didn’t care when Winston lit up WF compared to Aub and driving for the biggest TD of the season
Looks like we found some common ground here with Stopper. Because we damn sure didn't care about Winston vs anybody!
BUTTTTTT....you don't want to accept the other games he DID play against quality components, it's always "yeah, but go back to the Georgia game to see WHY HE WILL FAIL". You don't care that every QB that has ever played the game of football has at the very least one game that they looked less than they looked in all their other games... It's just a "matter of fact" in your eyes that those 2 1/2 quarters define him as a QB, period, you have no other argument than "watch the second half of the Georgia game". Like most of the rest of your content, it gets old. Get some new material.
I'm taking into account that it's a team sport...QB is still BY FAR the most important factor when it comes to getting the W or the L. Yes many factors are involved, but good QB's find a way to win. And great QB's elevate the play of their teammates.
FTR; I just said I think there's a better than 50/50 chance that Mayfield starts week one....It's FAR from a certainty at this point. If I had to lay odds now, I'd say 58% to 42% in favor of Mayfield starting....Now Irish, I believe you did say earlier that you believe there is a chance we see Mayfield under center week one. Not sure where you put the percentages, but I'm guessing very low....But you DID say there's a chance!
I agree with this 100%, but even the great QBs didn't typically elevate the play around them as rookies. Most struggled because they were busy learning everything needed to be a starting QB in the league. It seems, the great QBs became great, whether they started that first year or not. But that first year, like I said, in most cases wasn't an overwhelming success. Thus, would it not benefit the Browns as a whole, it the rest of the offense had a QB that could help them hone their skills, rather than Baker who is busy learning to hone his own? I reiterate, if Baker Mayfield is a fluke and by the time training camp rolls around he knows every aspect of the play book to the point he is teaching the other players what THEY should be doing...keeping up with the speed of the game...and lastly, is playing at a higher level than Tyrod Taylor, then I would be all for him being the starter on day 1.
There's is always a chance, lol. I would say the chances for Baker to start are around 95% Spoiler: Look at your own risk If, God forbid, Tyrod Taylor suffers an injury. Otherwise, I would put it around 15%
I have to say I don't believe Mayfield will start week 1. If I'm looking at the schedule I really don't want to see him start against Pitt and NO. I gotta believe the HC, given his precarious position, will be very reluctant to repeat last year's fiasco, and even if Baker has pulled even in practice, I'd be inclined to let Taylor take game one and two. If we come out of that 0 and 2, I just might be tempted to give Baker the nod, but frankly I fail to see the downside to having Taylor play, allowing the rest of the O to get acclimated, and fluent with the new offense. Not that we'd ever be favored to win, but after four games, I feel like we should have won 1, and if things are going well 2 games. Just ahead: Bal, LAC, TB, and Pitt, so if this the time? If you're 2 and 2, not IMO it isn't. If I was getting itchy, I might want Baker to face Pitt once, so he gets a taste of what that lopsided, once rivalry is like, but he'd have to be absolutely ready, or Taylor has shown his limitations for that to make sense to me, too. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Taylor, but frankly, I expect him to play well, and to make learning the O relatively easy for his teammates, which is "loading the gun" for Mayfield. I'd like him to come in once the gun is loaded, and he's sighted in his game. To me that means Taylor for no less than 4 games, and with a 50/50 record, I'd stay with him. Again I fail to see the downside of Mayfield not playing if we are winning. I'd be very happy if we came out of the season with 8 - 9 wins, but hadn't seen Mayfield. letting him come in next year with the team in his pocket, all the reps, and a year of seasoning, sounds pretty good to me. I'd love that to be the case, but don't expect it to be. I believe that once we hit the Bye, Mayfield gets the ball, and I'm also very much good with that. Yeah! or Yah!, for those who wondered how to interpret my earlier post. Success for our Browns is what I want, and I think bringing in Taylor was a masterful move, buying us legitmacy, while we groom our franchise savior. Let's follow through on that brilliant plan. So if we're to have unicorns and rainbows, Taylor attracts a very high draft pick, Mayfield takes over and we continue to climb, and everyone lives happily ever after.
You contradict yourself constantly, earlier you said, not to define his career (as it pertains to Brady, because you KNOW you make yourself into an ass if you do that)...yet you don't even want to give this kid a shot at a career based on 1 half of football? What you refuse to listen to is the fact, that in that same game, Mayfield led the Oklahoma offense to the biggest first half of offense in the history of the College Football Playoffs. Why not use that half as a barometer? Did Georgia make changes? Yes, did Oklahoma make changes to the play calls? Yes...doesn't change the fact that Mayfield did everything he could to win that game against a daunting defense. Regardless...This is the Cleveland Browns now, not the Sooners. Let's move on...
What rookie is? He will be though...Best QB prospect to come out since Andrew Luck and I would bet he has a much better career than Luck.
